it's deffo not an urban myth that mclaren understate the power, it's a fact
Mcalren Elva Senna LT etc to raise numbers in hp - doubt much difference in engines but they needed room to justify the msrp. XX is watered down - SF90M expect a big boost. ZR1 vs SF90XX - Ferrari is being lazy 2025 Corvette ZR1 .... Ferrari SF90 XX Horsepower 1064 hp ..... 1016 hp Torque 828 lb-ft ..... 590 lb-ft Top Speed 233 mph ..... 199 mph
Perhaps slower - 1/5 price of XX As they blow by at 230 mph vs 199 - it's going to be painful to see torque monster exiting a corner and pass by. Things are getting insane for a guy with a drivers license and some cash to burn.
That is a bit short-sighted. The XX's V8 has a higher specific output than the ZR1's. The American car just has an engine which is 37.5% larger, as it typical for American cars trying to play in the big league... Top speed is relevant only on the Autobahn. On a circuit what counts is how quickly a car accelerates to its terminal velocity before braking.
Really - what is the specific output of ZR1 engine vs SF90XX engine - Do you think the ZR1 has hybrid - hybrid will make 1171hp min and that's not been announced Not a fan of any brand - I am a fan of engineers making fast reliable cars. https://www.thedrive.com/news/chevy-knew-the-2025-corvette-zr1-could-never-be-a-hybrid
199 HP/Litre for the XX vs 196 HP/Litre for the ZR1 (both in Metric units). Surely, they must have taught you division in school...
You can't answer the question and then insult - Take the time to learn about the ZR1 and understand this is the first turbo In the history of Corvette and they are twice as strong as Bugatti. My point was - ZR1 took an ICE 2wd and offered more hp than the XX. It's engineering performance is the big league - you don't know much about much and if you don't think Ferrari is scratching their heads. Like you! The ZR1 is one of 3 packages - when they add hybrid, they will blow by everyone by an even wider margin.They did it without hybrid -on their first attempt. - digest that.
Are you trying to be cute? I just answered the question with numbers!!! Do you know what specific power even means? Ferrari's V8 would have more power than the ZR1's, if it was the same size!!! Do you even comprehend the notion of specific power, or basic arithmetic?
You are trying to be cute - silly equation per litre / hp.Although you - repeatedly. Why is it silly - 296 has more than XX at 220 and XX at 199 - you proved my point that Ferrari was being lazy / holding back on XX - you will see the V8 produce more. F80 makes 300 per litre - 100 more than XX, is it 50% faster, your metrics are meaningless, this isn't F1. If reading your posts offer something - which they never do, tell me what I am missing, You could not offer less productivity imo. Make your point / provide something of value.
ZR1 faster than the Manthey GT2RS - drivers that broke 5 records in US were engineers at GM not race car drivers. Guessing it will beat the 6;29 AMG 1 at the ring and Chevy will go this summer. Back to the XX - which I am sure will be great, my extras alone cost more than the ZR1 - I'm sorry Mr displacement - reality sucks in the world of racing and street times. Please watch these and others including one on the turbo's - then show me what Ferrari offers - better.
You are being disingenuous when you insinuate that the serial production Ferrari car should have the same engine technology as the halo car. Now. I understand why people disregard your comments...
For those with bum time in both types of seats, how does the best weight tubular seat compare to the normal SF90/296 carbon racing seat in terms of comfort, ease of access /exit, adjustment and grip/hugging in track and road use. I read somewhere it’s only a 1.3kg saving compared to the carbon racing seat, but I don’t think it looks nearly as good (considering it for 296 Speciale)
Well I am definitely not representative of most buyers as I am getting older now, but I prefer the normal carbon seat. The best weight seat is a little too hard on my lower back. I haven’t done any track work on the XX so I cannot tell you if the best weight seat is superior on track, but for road use it isn’t
Back when they presented it on the XX Stradale it said 12 kgs of saving for the couple vs the racing seats. Personally I find them more comfortable, but they look less "racing" and they don't provide height adjustment, just tilt.
I’m wondering whether to take XX to Le Mans this weekend. I had a drive of it recently, with the top down for the first time. It was flexier than I expected. Not as stiff as 812 GTS, more like Pista Spider. The Pista’s flex hasn’t prevented it from becoming one of my favourites, however, the XX Spider seems to have more flex than the standard SF90 spider which is surprising. I haven’t really got into the car yet so it might be a good trip to get to grips with it. But I also have a trip to Croatia later this year and won’t use it for both. Maybe save it for Croatia. What I know about it so far is that it is a whole lot more raucous than the SF90 and does feel quite different. Like an SF90 Pista plus a bit. The chance to drive the XX on the Le Mans circuit is appealing though. So far, the XX hasn’t proven to be one of those surprise cars from Ferrari like the PuroSangue for instance. But I’m pretty sure I’ll have to push it along a fast road and get some energy through it to see what kind of genius it possesses. Another point on my mind, I’m just returning from a road trip based at our summer holiday home, driving our locally registered GT4 RS with a friend in his Pista. We drove some fantastic roads for about 8 hours in total; lots of tight, twisty, high camber turns and also lots of big, fast, sweeping roads. Some key differences emerge (relevant to the turbo and hybrid conversation). The Pista is much faster because of its lesser noise. You just can’t keep the n/a engine in its upper register for 60 miles of switchbacks (the roads were almost comically shaped - like being on a roller-coaster) because the noise becomes too wearing. And in its mid register it has too little torque for the Pista. The 4RS is a brilliant car and handled those roads so well - really great fun. But it would be a better car for a road trip with a slightly more supple suspension and a turbo engine. The hybrid cars are even better at that. I think the XX spider, if it works like a sharper SF90, would be a brilliant road tool. In a way, although I understand why people think the spider an anomaly, given very few coupes will see a track, it might actually make more sense!
according to the XX press release it’s only 1.3kg saving compared to “single piece seat” from SF90 (per seat or total, not sure)… is that a different seat compared to the carbon racing seat?
Race seat at 6'2 is more comfortable - this is really car body and physical body dependent 812GTS carbons don't allow full use of seat recline which is not good for the back. SF90 Spider has same carbons and fitment is much better. Flex on SF90XX Spider - body flex on 16m vs Speciale, lowered the 16M springs it helped a lot with roll / flex - close to Speciale in feel. The SF90 Spider can be dropped about 1 1/2" with the factory adjustable coil overs - not sure on XX. If you look at Porsche track cars 3RS the tire is almost touching the body.
