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Wierd problem with the convertible top.

Discussion in '360/430' started by slysnake, Jun 2, 2025.

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  1. slysnake

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    The pump is supposed to be self-bleeding, but isn't it sealed? How does the air get out? Should I try with the screw plug removed?
     
  2. LorenzoR

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    Wow, that really sounds like a lack of fluid. Did you ever hear a power steering pump that was low on fluid? That sounds exactly the same. I know you said the fluid is full, so maybe for some reason the pump is not able to push the fluid where it needs to go? So you hear the pump stressing? Have you traced the lines for a pinched line?
     
  3. GogglesPisano

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    There are return lines for the fluid so it makes a complete cycle. Eventually, the fluid finds it's way back to the reservoir and air dissipates once inside. I would double check your line routing. Maybe the line is getting pinched after a certain procedure and that's why it's rapid at first, but then immediately slows down.
     
  4. hessank

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    Also there are 2000 linkages. One might be binding. I spray mine regularly with a lithium grease.
    You may want to try WD40 or a good penetrant.

    Or

    a linkage(s) may not be aligned properly
     
  5. GogglesPisano

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    It's odd that the same movement is quick in the beginning and slow at a different point though. Could very well be something binding but the tonneau cover is more robust than the frame and less likely to become misaligned I would imagine. Unless part of the linkage was removed disassembled partially during the piston replacement.
     
  6. slysnake

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    Replacing the secondary pistons only takes lifting the cover a little while in the 90 degree position. Only disassembly is unfastening the piston, and that is removing a pin with an E-clip holding it in place. I'll have to check for pinched lines, but those hoses are pretty thick. I think it would take a lot to pinch them.
     
  7. hessank

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    This is just one of the many linkages that require lubing to slide smoothly

     
  8. slysnake

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    OMG! I got it to work perfectly this evening! After the discussions above about checking the oil level, which I have been checking regularly, I decided to go out and check it again this evening as I had tried cycling the top in the afternoon to no avail, but didn't check the fluid level at that time. This time it was at the bottom of the bullseye with the top stowed. OK, I put more oil in and tried again. The top opened up to the position where the cover was closing, like in the video I posted, and then it came to a stop. I went to check the oil level again, with the engine running, and the tank was EMPTY! I think the lines were draining back into the tank so that when I checked it before it seemed that the oil level was good. This time when I shut off the engine the tank filled only about a half an inch with oil. Filled it to the correct level again and the top worked perfectly! Cycled it a couple of times, checked again and the oil level was at the bottom of the circle. Topped it up again, cycled it a couple of times, checked the level and again it was at the bottom of the circle. This time there was oil dripping down from above the pump. Looked for the leak and discovered the main piston on the passenger side is leaking badly. :( I guess that means removing the entire cartridge to get that piston out. :( I think those are the only pistons that can't be removed with the top assembly in the car.

    At least I know the problem know. Thanks so much for everyone's advice and help here! The people on this forum are the best!
     
  9. slysnake

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    Just read priericky128's post on how to remove the main cylinders without taking the entire roof out! Looks like it's possible!
     
  10. priericky128

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    You’re lucky it’s the passenger side. Removing that line is way shorter and easier. Pulling out the driver side requires carpet to come out.
     
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  11. GogglesPisano

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    Glad you got it figured out. Let us know once it’s all in working condition again.
     

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