296 Values and Used Market

AC , seat etc can all be adjusted without using haptics , seat ventilation / heating must be adjusted on haptics , I have had no issue doing this

 

I've been tracking all the Ferrari listings for a few months now and I was wondering how the average orginal MSRP of the 296 compared with the previous models. It seems like it basically tracks with inflation (using the CPI) up until covid, when it starts to diverge. That was kinda what my gut thought, but I was surprised it wasn't a bigger gap. In 3 years (2020 to 2023) it went up about 5% total more than inflation, and has remined there the last two years. What isn't surprising though is the massive increase in spread of MSRP due to the increase in number and cost of options. The most expensive 296s had an MSRP 50% higher than the cheapest, in the 458/488 days it was more like 20%.
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I have racing seats in my 812 GTS and Pista (along with my inbound 12C). I cannot fit in any of these cars with standard seats. We’ve met, so you know what I’m talking about. My friends are shocked I can make any of these cars work.

 

THIS. KUDOS!

 

Excellent work! Options are more profitable, they also added carbon fiber wheel and AF package to the option list post Pista. My F8 had carbon fiber wheels, it was over 10% of MSRP, if I remember correctly the carbon fiber wheel options was first introduced with Pista, remain available since. This options alone add a decent chunk of % to the MSRP you tracked.

What you mentioned likely be one of cause as well, a sprint booster will help to some degree, as experienced sprint booster user on 488, Aventador SV, F8, NSX, 992 Turbo S, it helps but has limitations, will not be enough to eliminate this much of delay and lag for Urus. I did tried other methods on Urus including stomp on gas pedal as fast as I could/side step, ease into throttle rapidly, etc to mimic effect of sprint booster.

What I am referring to is not performane on paper with launch control. But the real world stomp and go responds or instant torque for effortless get up and go, for a everyday car like Urus you will use that a lot, while Urus SE weight 800lbs more, it does have 356lb ft torque available from electric motor portion from standing still according to Lamborghini.

 

Cayenne and Urus full hybrids squash the lag. But are heavy. So does G90/G99 M5 and it feels differently heavy. All of those do very slightly better than 296 instant off the line torque wise but also AWD.

Urus SE (Pzero) was really shocking, no lag, but also don't feel the weight as much cornering/changing direction as in the Cayenne Turbo E-Hybrid.

Got to drive a non big battery hybrid, 992.2 GTS for 30 miles last week, it definitely is doing torque fill better than C63S E Hybrid which did have heavy / full battery system. But not quite as EV responsive at low speed as the good full systems.

 

Even adjusting the mirrors?

I love the 296 and even the center display.

Even with the stupid lack of tach (which'd fit in the upper left) with CarPlay.

Hitting 5 times to get a back button so the thing activates I can live with.

Using phone to change CarPlay like it's an ipod I can live with.

Adjusting the mirrors makes me curse every time.

My new GTB coming will have surround so that should help though...

 

Interesting analysis and in recent years difficult to compare apples with apples. When looking into inflation, I guess one thing we potentially miss is that standard things like paint etc. are no longer standard so if you just inflate the basic MSRP then the change in price probably exceeds inflation significantly as it doesn't include what now are options. In your chart, perhaps this is reflected in the number of price points shown above your median line for the 296.

 

Not true, the interface to just raise or lower temp is haptic and I often have to look at where to place my finger to make the change. Ive had to adjust my driving to doing this when Im stopped, maybe at a stop light or if I can pause at a stop sign. I really wont dare attempt this when Im underway. Switches or buttons for frequently used functions are just a better way of doing it.

 

Supposedly the CarPlay rules from Apple say that when carplay is displayed, a screen can only show a few other items, and one is not a tachometer. So the issue here lies partly with Apple. Eddie Cue from Apple is also on Ferrari’s board, so Id imagine this wouldn’t be too hard to get changed, but who knows the politics…. One of the reasons why the older setup ended up being so nice is because they are individual screens, you could still have the physical tach and a bunch of information on the other screen. If Ferrari made their 1 screen as 2 or 3 physical screens, they could have side stepped this but would not have had such a nice 1 big screen in the front. I think the biggest issue stems from their insistence to forego a central screen, because everyone else does it. I think they would have been better off updating the prior setup of a physical central rev counter flanked by 2 smaller screens and gone with a central screen. Some version of this seems to have happened on the 12 Cilindri. It would have been very welcome in the Purosangue and frankly all these cars. Unfortunately we are stuck with our phones which means we are stuck with either CarPlay or Android Auto, and they really do work best with an actual touch screen.

 

I am shocked as well. Guys your size usually have to stick with large SUV's. A couple of my buddies played in the NFL and they just can't make these cars work, they all have trucks or SUV's.

 

On your dash you can raise or lower the temp it is not on the haptic of the wheel is what I meant and is easy to use , no difference really than sliding a manual switch for me and not nearly the issue that the haptic on the wheel is . In any case on the ‘25 wheel the haptics including those for cruise control work quite well

 

My cars with it, it's just a piece of glass, I do not like it. To me it's about the same as the steering wheel stuff, it's just silly and not necessary. When Ive thought about why they needed it, it all stems from t he refusal to be like everyone else, which I would accept more if it meant they kept a physical central rev counter, but to replace everything with screens ends up being just like everyone else. Their graphics team did a great job the presentation is overall very nice, but I think the concept is just a bit off.

 

I think it speaks to the level of my passion that I am able to remove comfort completely out the decision making calculus, at least for the most part.

 

Yes, my touch screen for mirrors have improved with use.

If you press the back icon for longer it will jump all the way back to the beginning- you do not have to do it repeatedly one press at a time.

 

The screen is the best in the business and it’s the first one I prefer to the old physical tach. Every other car now feels dated. My 812 GTS interior feels old as does any prior model.

 

Compromises always have to be made. As far as the Apple screen blocking the tach- we still have the steering wheel and the heads up display in race mode showing the modified tach. Not ideal, but usable.

 

I agree with most of that, except for compromises. For me the older system is preferable and it makes me appreciate my older cars more. Thats just me.

 

The idea of not having a tach in a Ferrari is jarring. No way I'd use CarPlay - no matter how good it is - if that's the price of admission.

Digital tach I can accept, if begrudgingly. But no tach!?

 

There is several different tachometers to use. No one is eliminating the tachometer.

 

theres something about seeing the needle swinging around in front of you. You can use CarPlay in the background, you dont need to have it at the front, you can leave the standard tach screen going most of the time and it's fine.

 

Ah, good, I must have misunderstood an earlier post.