Yet ZR1 & X quicker 0 - 60 and higher top speed - one call received at 1/20th price I'm good buddah litre math meter - Ala torque. Move on.
How do you figure out the acceleration? Do you understand the difference between 0-60 with a roll-out, and 0-62 without? Europeans always quote 0-62, without a roll out. Let us see what that chronometers show. Let us also measure the 0-200 mph dash. Regarding the price, that is what you pay for in order to produce the same power with nearly half the displacement; it is called advance technology. Imagine if the F80 had a 5.5 litre engine... You are proving my point again, that American car needs twice the engine size to match the elite league. Torque is for ignorant:
Yes, I do understand. Do you? Do you understand that this was intentionally done to optimize performance?
The Ferrari way is much better, since it gives all the power up to the terminal velocity, unlike the X's which cocks out at 160 mph. QED! PS: I do not think that you understand why Ferrari's system is superior.
The ZR1 seems to be a fantastic piece of kit. I’ve driven the Z06 and loved it; fantastic n/a engine. The ZR1 will obviously be very different to drive and much quicker (not necessarily nicer but definitely quicker). It has very little to do with the F80, which has far higher aero, a lighter and smaller powertrain to help with that fantastic aero downforce figure and is a very specific and bespoke design by the best builder of hyper cars over the span of the last 50 or so years, since the 288 GTO arguably invented the breed. Seems like the ZR1 is a much closer competitor to the XX. Based on an existing car, V8 twin turbo, hybrid, about 450kg in downforce (though XX is probably more because it figures that at 150mph and the ZR1 at top speed which is around 233 mph). I would guess they are both quite closely matched despite the ZR1’s extra power. The Corvette is no Ferrari in terms of considering it purely as an object to own and use but that doesn’t matter because the price is different. The ZR1, great that it exists and seems like they have done a great job. Let’s hope anyway. I’ve been driving our XX a little lately. There’s something about it that is really great. It has all the SF90 attributes - beautiful and massive power delivery, hair-trigger throttle, lovely balance, great grip and a very solid feeling. Lovely to drive fast. The XX adds drama to that and the chassis balance is faster and more aggressive, by which I mean that the weight movement front to rear as you go through and out of a corner is quicker and the chassis response to that, similarly so. The aero changes the feel a little at road speeds but you need a track or very high speeds to really feel much difference. I’m starting to fall for its charms. Which leads me to the 296 Speciale. I wasn’t going to go for one but went to Le Mans and saw the Piloti car up close. It looks really good. It means swapping out our SF90 Spider which is TM (never sold a TM car before) but decided that matching XX S and 296 Speciale, both in factory finished livery based on the 499P is a better idea. Hope I’m right!
@Cocoloco 1) No, I most certainly won't leave it that, since it is far from proven! 2) They are heavier because they are not as sophisticated. 3) Are you talking about the ZR1X? When was it proved?
Does anyone have an idea of when we'll be getting driving reviews? Online content about this car is lacking atm.
I agree with you on XX. The more I use the more I like it. I also think that visually it looks 10 times better than my regular SF90. I also agree on the Speciale and did my Aperta order last week.
The new 296 GT3 EVO is so good looking. Even better than Speciale. Give me a lot of confidence the replacement model will be truly great.
1, I'm not here to be your punching bag - use your keyboard to read what's published. 2, They are heavier because the track model resembles the production model - they don't want to spend R&D / expensive materials that will raise the price. 3. https://www.evo.co.uk/corvette/zr1/207936/corvette-zr1x-is-more-powerful-and-faster-than-the-ferrari-f80#:~:text=The long-awaited halo model,that of a Bugatti Chiron. Factories have an agenda for their customers of which you are not, GM entering F1 will show it's sophistication and silence your pathetic obsession We all know Ferrari's profit and dealer profit 150k per car - price of ZR1, Finale
Your figure is a bit optimistic, but you re right and not very far off, if we consider averaging across the whole range... Be careful, we might end up agreeing on everything.
Do you even realise that this is an apples to oranges comparison? A 0-60 acceleration run is different to a 0-62, not to mention the idiotic 1 ft roll-out that American manufacturers factor in. Let's see what they do when they are independently tested. You will be gravely disappointed.
Whole range - then I was conservative - operating profits - 2024 Ferrari's 2024 production 13,663 = $192,221 per car. General Motors 6,200,000 - $2765.00 per car Enzo listened to Luigi Chinetti and Ferrari survived by serving the US. Let's hope they build what customers want vs Gov't - no one needs a sports car.
It does not change the global picture, but let's consider the actual numbers: - 13,663 is the 2023 shipments number, 2024 number is 13,752 - 2024 operating profit is 1,888 (in M euros), so the division gives 137,289 euros (around $150K in 2024). Furthermore, revenue of selling cars and parts only accounts for about 86% of Ferrari's revenue (5,728 of 6,677), so it certainly does not account for 100% of the profit - but there is no profit breakdown that I'm aware of in the financial statements (although it's likely that the branding and licensing activities are more profitable, since they do not support any cost of goods).
Which is what I stated the first time 150k - as a whole my second number, these are public so it is what it is. VS need to produce an MSRP and until then, things are a bit shaky. I have a tough time turning in my 296 if the VS gets tariff - many are in similar situation.
In summary, everything is far too expensive for what it is currently at Ferrari... not a single model escapes this observation. When you make such a massive margin, it is at the expense of quality, and you only need to look at the standard plastics to realize it...for example.They want it to be luxury, and although it is, they do not want it to be cheap luxury. Look at the materials and internal finishes of Bentley or Aston, then compare...
So true. Look at the plastics Ferrari uses for the non-CF side skirts....look at the plastics they use in the engine bay....oh, and then lets compare paint quality (etc etc) with Bentley etc. I hate to actually be thinking this, let alone saying it, Ferrari appears to have lost their way. This makes me sad. We have a speciale spot at our dealer. Early delivery. (We are VIPs the dealership..not Ferrari). If the all-in money on the Speciale is 2x (or greater) vs the value of our 296GTS there is ZERO chance we will buy it. Heck if the Speciale price is more than the mid-$500s we are out. We adore Ferrari, but hate feeling ripped off. What I fear is happening is that the Speciale will be over priced and over produced. None of us early buyers will know until its too late.
PS from a purely competitive perspective (setting aside the 'brand' value) what does Ferrari do better NOW vs their competitors? (other than profit per car). When CHEVY makes a Corvette that bests the best of the EU brands on their tracks, the rules have changed. Rumors have it that the Zr1 and Zr1X have bested the hyper cars from all the major brands at Nurburgring. Actual ring times are being released on JULY 4th! https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65241950/chevy-corvette-zr1-nurburgring-lap-teased/
This is the part aesthetically that really bothers me. The plastic on the A pillar is gloss black. Why not have that option for the side skirt, front splitter, and diffuser? The plastic is so cheap I truly hate the way it looks on the car. Carbon wouldn't match either! But it does look better, just not $30k better.
Also went with Blue Carbon gloss - less glossy, go matte finish. You can get transitional at dealer - no need for Atelier or TM. Plastic - c'mon guys go look at a Porsche GT3RS Lamborghini Aston DBX and Bentayga - lost 100k on each and made money on Puro - This is a game - none of us have to play, enjoy it More people ask me what year Corvette my SF90 is than nice Ferrari Tariffs are a real threat as are EU emissions - perfect storm
