I just hear near zero buzz about it. My Lambo fan friends (owners) mostly dislike the styling. None have it on order. It is too heavy. Sounds mute. Boring and Muted styling and rear is just bad. Will cost $500k fully optioned. It’s already outgunned before it even arrives.
I believe you. The steering wheel buttons and start button on the Amalfi is evidence that they listen. Now I'm curious, who do they listen to most? Dealer feedback? The people here on the forums? Car journalists? The random comments on instagram and reddit posts?
I don’t know how the Amalfi wheel would work. Red stop start interfered with the hybrid modes from a placement standpoint.
Retro fit to several models... https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/ferrari-will-retro-fit-its-spoiled-supercars-new-steering-wheel-buttons
First: Credit to them for responding. Speculation: I'm guessing they're smart enough to listen to actual customers, not window shoppers. With perhaps a little extra weight on the marginal customer they're trying to attract.
The new Roma / Amalfi is not hybrid - two different designs and agendas, confused over a few buttons controls on two different models. Spending 4-700k on a car and the focus is a few buttons - Ferrari boardrooms design / engineers and most important marketing print Fchat and Insta social media to make determinations for the future - lol ... insane! These models are designed spec'd orders given to vendors a long time prior! Changing out wheels electrics air bags - you all are whacked sometimes
Dealers copping flak from customers . Forums have a very small percentage of global owners , and you generally see the same people posting so the sample size is small
Have any of us Ferrari owners ever been approached by the company or dealership for feedback on a car? I never have. Anyone?
Yep, quite a few times. I would say for every new model category, ie I was sent a Ferrari feedback URL for the 296GTB but not the GTS. For the F8 and earlier cars it was a real person from Italy, though 3rd party company as opposed to Ferrari direct. Not sure if I will ever get one again, said the 296 was exceptional bar the haptics and too slow CPU driving the UI and spent a lot of time telling them why – problem with being in IT for 40+ years
Yes, many times, and I have provided feedback consistent with what you all would imagine it would be for the hybrid cars.
for a while Ferrari was calling me asking about mostly design stuff. Very sweet Italian lady....my caller ID would say Ferrari SPA. (or something like that) I do recall in 2018/19 they called asking about haptics. I told them the buttons were fine and no changes were needed....
SF90XX close to Vette both beating AMG ONE - which is not US road legal VS if they tossed GT3 & F80 parts in - would have been even faster and we would have paid close to XX money - tariffs if they "hold" many may not pull trigger.
With all the ZR1/ZR1X talk, keep in mind that these are targeted primarily at North American market, and not sold in most of the Ferrari markets (including Europe, where they do not meet emissions regulations).
I've been daily driving my 296, zero issues with haptics, everything works, same in my SF90, I don't get the rage. Apparently, we’re now treating “I had to touch a button twice” as a full-blown scandal. It’s become another one of those micro inconveniences that the professional outrage forever offended on behalf of others internet crowd has latched onto, amplified through echo chambers, and rebranded as some catastrophic design failure.
I think it could be sold in Europe, but with prohibitive taxes - AFAIK, there is no real forbidden level of emissions; there are penalties applied at different levels (for the manufacturers and for the customers). So in the end it's a matter of money, but it may not make sense to propose a car in the market (if a ZR1 ends up costing more than a 296 because of different taxes - the hybrid 296 getting a better treatment - it might not find customers).
Agreed. On the other hand- I cannot use the haptics while driving if I want to keep my attention on the road. That problem may still exist with buttons because both are on the steering wheel. Bottom line- not a big deal and far from a deal killer after a week plus of use.
Yes, either that or more likely, reengineered to meet emissions targets. For example, Z06 is sold in Europe, but with starting price of ~160 KEUR and 646 hp instead of 670 (source). For comparison, 992.2 GT3 starts at ~180K and 296 GTB (when it was available) at ~245K. All prices without VAT (which is 18-25% in European countries) Extrapolating from Z06 price, ZR1 (not X) would cost similar money to 296 GTB and power would most likely be down as well, possibly below 1000 hp. Explains both why it is not coming to Europe and why Ferrari is likely not too worried about it.
I think if you look at it from a purely functional standpoint, you are not wrong that the criticism has gone too far. The system is not that bad, but, I also think there are 2 counter points worth consideration. 1- what @x z8 says above about taking your eyes off the road, it can be dangerous, or at least really annoying- and to prove a point- they didn’t make the turn signals haptics. Why leave those buttons? To a lesser point, why leave the manettino as a physical switch. Somethings work better as physical controls. 2- I think they missed a major point about the psychology of their owners/ buyers, which is really, frankly, astounding, to me: many of us enjoy Ferrari cars as an escape. You can decide from what it is you are escaping. Making the controls touch pads etc, makes it really very much like every other car- some of Ferrari’s uniqueness is lost. Its just like other cars, except, in an effort to not have a centra touch screenn, we have the worst of both worlds because you are being asked to control touch devices with a step in between where that step is not very responsive- that is inherently frustrating- and also possibly dangerous. I would also apply this point about not really understanding their buyers, again, it is very surprising to me, to the way they present the electric power stuff. They should have been less obvious with the presentation. I think they just rushed too much too fast. Anyway I work around the system by not using the touch pad very much while driving, instead (and I cant believe I am saying this) I rely on Siri for certain functions. It works. But I find it no better than the prior system, which I still prefer, but thats just me.
The data sheet for the European Z06 shows a 5.5L engine vs the 6.2L of the American version. The "Stingray" has the 6.2L engine. Both cars are presented on Chevrolet Europe web site, but availability may depend on countries. Chevrolet France web site advertises the 6.2L Stingray with 482 hp; no price listed and only two dealers for the whole France - so it's rather limited. In France, a 70K euros emissions tax will be applied on top of the 20% VAT (the emissions tax is only 3K for the 296 GTB).
Apparently sticky buttons / cheap plastic is what non owners prefer. 16m 458S both cheap sticky plastic and spent 1000's on repairing, Let's switch plastic for different plastic, embarrassed to ask price. 296 SF90 no issues and mechanic pulling / replacing risking damage, to each their own.
Honestly, when I’m driving my 296 “haptic” doesn’t even enter my consciousness. I do get annoyed though when I have to look down to put the car in manual mode. I wish there was a haptic for that on the wheel
