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What did you do to your 365 GT4 2+2/400/412 today?

Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by OttoB, May 29, 2015.

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  1. pattorpey

    pattorpey Karting

    Oct 16, 2016
    58
    Dublin, Ireland
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    Pat Torpey
    I too faced the question of how I would (working alone) check the timing on my car. However I was part of the way to a solution because I had built a bench tester for checking my distributor timing after overhaul and reassembly. (I would have preferred to acquire a second hand distributor tester as suggested by Raemin in another thread on this forum, but none was available at the time).
    The tester I built used two timing discs with opto switches, one on the distributor input shaft with a single slot, and the second on the output shaft with slots at 10 degree intervals BTDC. I made up two simple optical switches using opto couplers with basic circuitry and fed the signals to my (vintage!) oscilloscope. The tester was driven by my small milling machine which has a variable speed inverter drive. The results were very satisfactory and I was able to prove the distributor advance curve was to specification after I had completely overhaused the distributor.
    Anyway, having satisfied myself that the distributor was working properly I then had to work out how to set the timing on the car. So I used one of the two opto switches and potted it in epoxy. I made up a new timing disc which I mounted on the harmonic damper on the crankshaft nose, and made up a bracket from the bottom of the A/C compressor to hold the potted optoswitch. The position of the timing disc relative to the optoswitch was "calibrated" against the flywheel timing marks to give me the correct TDC signal, and I also had the further signals at 10, 20 and 30 degrees BTDC. For the ignition signal, I used an old clamp-on pickup from a Sun engine tester.
    The pics below show the setup. Pic 1 is the distributor test rig mounted on the table of the milling machine. You can clearly see one of the two circuit boards on which the first opto switch is mounted. The second circuit board can just about be seen at the bottom left of the picture. Pic 2 shows the upper timing disc with timing slots, and Pic 3 shows the lower disk which has just one timing slot. Pic 3 taken from underneath the car shows the third timing disk mounted on the crankshaft damper, and Pic 4 shows the potted circuit board mounted on a 25mm X 3mm bracket which in torn is bolted to the bottom of the A/C compressor. Pic 5 shows the oscilloscope trace from the bench test rig (upper pulse is the "TDC" reference mark, while the multiple pulses are from the 10 deg slots on the second disc). And finally Pic 6 shows the oscilloscope traces from the running engine, with the upper trace showing the clean pulses from the opto switch, and the lower much noisier trace from the sensor on the plug lead.
    I'm not saying that this is an easy way to get the job done, but it worked! And the whole process of timing the ignition could be carried out in comfort without carrying out any acrobatics beneath a running V12.

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  2. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
    210
    Stuttgart, Germany
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    Esben
    Highly impressive work!
    I've also been looking for a distributor tester here in Germany, but I haven't found any so far...

    I'll put some markings on the harmonic balancer to be able to check the basic timing, but in the long run, I'd like to fully digitalize the ignition similar to Peter in this thread:
    512 BBi tdc sensor | FerrariChat

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  3. Jaredsalinsky

    Jaredsalinsky Formula Junior

    Feb 8, 2023
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    Very…very…clever! Necessity is the mother of all invention! Kudos to you.
    Karina (my 400) is currently getting an engine overhaul during which time the ignition, distributors and timing were restored. I love to learn how to tune these carbureted engines…. But I think I’ll start with a single carb small block Chevy!
    Cheers and happy new year
     
  4. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

    Jan 16, 2007
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    Wow... rebuilding my whole distributor tester seems like a piece of cake compared to this "side project"
     
  5. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

    Jan 16, 2007
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    Had To buy three 42mm refurbishing kits in order to identify a proper substitute! At least these were cheap, but I only used the dust shield (spring is hard and has sharp edges, the inner seal is thicker than the one from frenkit).

    At the end of the day the ate greases did cost more than the rubber bits. The piston grease is expensive for what it is: looks similar tonthe food compliant grease I am using in the kenwood major (at a cheaper price). I presume the old formula (with blue cap) was more specific.

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  6. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

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  7. Ak Jim

    Ak Jim F1 Veteran
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    Dec 23, 2007
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    Drained the rear diff fluid. Drain plug doesn’t look great in my opinion or is this normal? Car has about 100,000 KM on it. Not sure the oil has ever been changed. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  8. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

    Jan 16, 2007
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    With a bit of luck it's the material from the friction discs. ZF still sells them, but the references were not published here.
     
  9. Schumi

    Schumi Formula Junior
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    Jun 5, 2002
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    @raemin Do you have part numbers for Series I 400iGT friction discs? Mine had some metal, but not as much as shown in @Ak Jim photo. Thanks
     
  10. Ak Jim

    Ak Jim F1 Veteran
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    Dec 23, 2007
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    Did you put anything on the threads of the drain and fill plugs when you put the back in?
     
  11. Rahtok

    Rahtok Karting

    May 8, 2019
    62
    Seattle WA
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    Brian
    Is your final going to be in fiberboard or something else? I would love to have a set of these CNC'd in aluminum. I'd take 4 of them because I have the two in the doors for the speaker, and another two as the air intake for the rear AC.
     
  12. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

    Jan 16, 2007
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    This was the idea, but based on my mdf experiment, these are a pain to paint!

    I am just trying to source sheets of ABS, which would hopefully be less troublesome.

    Will share the .dxf and .grbl, just in case you can identify a proper shop.
     
  13. Rahtok

    Rahtok Karting

    May 8, 2019
    62
    Seattle WA
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    Brian
    Well - if you can get them CNC'd then rather than paint them get them powder coated. Easier to do. Relatively cheap, and then strong enough to withstand getting kicked by an errant foot getting out of the car. lol. That's me. I've accidentally kicked it getting out.
     

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