Horner Fired

"According to planetf1, 2% of Yoovidhya’s shares got sold thus no longer making them the majorty shareholder. they backed horner, and now after the sale he got sacked."

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Schumacher spent 5 years rebuilding Ferrari before they finally started winning consistently. for me it is what sets Schu apart from anyone else as teh best there ever was. This is Max chance to match him.

 

Thats interesting. He was going to be fired anyway as he had lost the faith of the Thai owners. They were visible in their un-happiness with results in Austria. Be interesting to know the reason for the sale. Need cash now or is it better to let GmbH Austria make all the hard decisions as the majority. I would not be surprised if they are not major F1 fans overall.

 

The Thai Red Bull owners, specifically Chalerm Yoovidhya, transferred his 2% stake in Red Bull to a Geneva-based trust company, Fides Trustees SA, not sold it. The transfer, valued at approximately $1.1 billion, was made through a regulatory filing in Austria. The reason for the transfer, the ultimate beneficiary, and the future ownership of the stake remain unknown, according to Bloomberg.

GPblog previously reported that Horner had lost part of his influence at Red Bull Racing following the debacle surrounding Sergio Perez. In recent weeks, as performance dipped even further compared to 2024, the Thai faction’s confidence in Horner is said to have completely crumbled.

 

The best at helping build a team? Or driving? Two separate things. Drivers are hired to drive. Some of the best drivers ever never help build a team, they pay others to do that. Schumacher didn't build Ferrari by himself, that would be impossible, Ferrari had others in place. But yes he played a key role.

 

What he means is, Schumacher and the "Dream Team" (from Benetton), moved to Ferrari and "rebuilt" Ferrari to its winning ways in the early 2000's.

 

I wonder if the 2% thing is a red herring - if it was held personally it may simply have been transferred to a trust structure to give tax benefits on sale or death

 

Mystery buyer of the shares revealed;

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Ferrari was also the team that paid the best at the time; Schumacher must have taken that in consideration.

 

Lol

 

One may argue the "rebuilding" of Ferrari F1 team began and continued with Jean Todt joining (from Peugeot) in 1993; it's Todt who hired Schumacher and (only in the following year) Brawn and Byrne.

 

Maybe Jean Todt is the real architect behind Ferrari revival by spotting and recruiting all these talents and making them work together, motivating the staff, bringing a new atmosphere in the Scuderia, and slowing improving it.
Apart from Peter Schetty (a Swiss) who lasted one year), Todt was the first foreign principal in an Italian team that became multi-national during his tenure. The culture certainly changed at Ferrari during the 14 years he was at Maranello.

 

With a new power unit coming, a car no one other than Max can drive, Max leaving, and no real "Wolf"," Todt", or even Horner available to refine the organization, Red Bull is done. Will the investors have a tolerance for supporting a back marker for the next four or five years at a minimum? Buy up that merch now if you want collectibles.

 

Horner to Ferrari would be a disaster. There is no way Ferrari owners will let him have the control he had at Red Bull.... its just not possible. The culture and behavior of Ferrari owners - Elkan, and Ferrari will not let them give up full control. Plus I cant see Horner moving to Italy ever.

 

Red Bull is not going anywhere. even at the back end of the field they are still making Millions.

 

I am sure the investors and the board have that prognosis planned out already with regards to investment analysts and profit & loss department. They forecast these things.

 

Agreed. This is not about having one bad season, this is about who is ultimately in control, and Mark Mateschitz wants to be the one pulling the strings. Ultimately this is about Ego. the Austrians want to be in control, and they will get it as the owners. I'm sure firing Horner and the others cost a pretty penny, so this is about control and ego... nothing else. all the other things are noise, and annoyances... but being in control of the money and persona of the team.

 

The biggest thing that Todt did was shield the team from the press and all the calls for people to be fired. He took the blame early on. It was joint between Montezemolo and Todt. fending off the Italian media, and then the board members at FIAT is a big job.

 

Willi Weber certainly did.

 

It seems to me that the scandal that went away very quickly, even with some pretty hard evidence is a starting point. Sexual Harasement

Then we have Jos not happy

The loss of Adrian and other key staff.

There will be a myriad of things we don’t know coming to light shortly.

The change of shares in Red Bull and although the funny post previously shows Toto buying into Red Bull. (That’s very possible as he is on the fence with Russel) it’s very possible he has enough money and knowledge.

I have huge respect for Red Bulls achievement other than the first championship lots of the rest comes from Horners influence. It’s not that he did not deserve the Championship But the way it was done was wrong and it will always be in view for Red Bull.

As for Max if he moves he will suffer the same as Ricardo and Hamilton and so forth . The Red Bull suits him and was designed for him by Adrian. It’s easy to see he drives differently from other drivers, Yuki is finding that out. When he gets to a new team he will suffer the design issues. He will still get more from the next car than most but it won’t be enough, he also has a child now any is enjoying family life. I see him giving up F1 to Pick and chose what he wants to do next and good luck to him he seems like a very grounded guy. Hope finds what he wants.

F1 is vicious and all the points must point North or it does not work regardless of individual talent

Verstappen is in My top 5 drivers none have all of the total qualities but 5 drivers have enough to make the list.

 

This IMO was a huge mistake by Red Bull. Building a car just one person can extract performance from is just the blunder of all blunders, totally inexcusable.

 

If F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport, shouldn't the slower drivers apire to drive like Max, rather than design a car for the mediocre?

 

Hey, most of them have a hard time driving an F1 car in the rain!! Let alone Pirelli making a FULL WET TIRE(BLUE BANDED) THAT IS TOTALLY USELESS in the wet.

Pinnacle of motorsport?

 

F1 budget would have to triple do to repairs if everyone drove like Max.

 

Savvy boy he is LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL