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  1. JohnnyRay

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    Yet another 330 GTC didn't make reserve - at Worldwide in Auburn yesterday. Bidding started at $300K, worked it's way up to $400K in $20K increments, then stalled. The auctioneer struggled for another $10k with no takers. This car previous sold for $445K at RM Monterey in 2023. SN 10101.My sense was that here were a handful of knowledgeable bidders in the room.

    https://listings.worldwideauctioneers.com/product/1967-ferrari-330-gtc/

    https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/mo23/lots/r0125-1967-ferrari-330-gtc-by-pininfarina/

    It seems that more than a few cars with some potential needs have reached a similar fate over the last year or more. And this is happening whether at auction, on BaT or private offers. Sellers want over $400K for less than perfect cars and buyers are balking at paying that. Are increasing restoration costs hurting these sales perhaps?

    On another note, internet clickbait is going around regarding Tim Allen's 330 GTC being worth $3.4M! Beyond the sensational valuation, one interesting point made is that it is Tim's favorite car in his collection...
     
  2. JohnnyRay

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    Correction - there were a handful of knowledgeable bidders in the room... ;)
     
  3. stevewak

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    I don't think you can look at Worldwide or Mecum figures for an accurate picture of the market for European collectors' cars. Only RM, Broad Arrow or Gooding. At Goodwod the other day, Bonhams sold a LHD, wrong-colour car that had been round the world a few times for £402,500, say $525k on the day. Below £400k to £500k estimate (on net price that was £350k).
     
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  4. 19633500GT

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    It's ain't 2014, that's for sure.

    Forking over $345K for a disassembled, non running (albeit straight and with not rust) '67 seemed like a good idea back then.
     
  5. redfred84

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    There's a REAL nice one, restored, and cared for by Patrick Otis & Co available at the Otis shop NOW!
     
  6. JohnnyRay

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    I don't see any links to it on the Ottis website...
     
  7. JohnnyRay

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    #7 JohnnyRay, May 4, 2025
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    I saw this one sell. As I recall, this was advertised as an Air Conditioned car - which Bonhams later retracted. Other than that, it presented well and many items were (apparently) restored to a high enough level to take some refurbishment risk out of the sale price and make it "worth" $525K. And the color combination is pleasing - if not all original (was Marrone/Maroon).

    I don't totally disagree that the auction houses you mention are a bit better barometer than some of the others, but the newcomers are also featuring vehicles targeted at discriminating buyers and seem to be attracting upscale bidders to their rooms. Thus, their sale prices "count" in the market similarly. And we can't forget the online houses that are changing the way these cars are being sold as well. All sales count towards what makes the market...
     
  8. redfred84

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    the car at Ottis may be marketed through Patrick's son, Tazio; not necessarily Patrick Ottis & Co. I think Tazio's company is OTS. Tell him Red Fred sent you.
     
  9. JohnnyRay

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    Found it. OTSandco is the business name. The exterior shots of the car appear nice...but the interior is disgusting. Dirty and worn out. Not even close to what I would consider "patina". No under hood or trunk shots, apparently no tools or manuals and no description either. Could be a good candidate for a restoration, but it's not quite a driver...and the link identifies it as a project.

    It is listed as "sold" though. I wonder what it went for?

    https://www.otsandco.com/project/1966-ferrari-330gtc
     
  10. donv

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    It is funny how people view things differently. I think the interior is fine-- yes, it could use a bit of a cleaning, but the leather is not torn and doesn't appear to be hard or dried out. I would drive it as-is, assuming mechanicals are okay and there isn't much rust.

    I think many people who spend $400-500k on a vintage Ferrari expect to get a new car for that sort of money.

     
  11. JohnnyRay

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    I just don't prefer the look of a dirty/worn tan interior. Grey or white is even worse. Yet I like any color interior over black. Reds and blues always seem to look sharp.

    I actually have a very realistic perspective on what can be had for the price range indicated. What I have found interesting is the number of recent auctions that have stopped at/or just short of $400K for 330GTCs with needs. Buyers seem to be more aware of the cost to refurbish each portion of these cars - and it quickly can add up. No one ever says "I spent a lot less on my restoration than I thought I would".
     
  12. merstheman

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    Well they have a silver car for sale with great provenance....

    (black interior, though...)
     
  13. donv

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    Sorry, what I was trying to say was that it seems like many people who are spending $500k-$1 million on a vintage car want a car which appears as new, and not one that looks like a 50 year old (well preserved) used car. Personally, I prefer a car that looks like it's been used, but I recognize that I am not the normal buyer in this price range.

     
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    It's only original once. <--- the US restoration world has, by and large, not understood or respected that thought.

    It's a good thought, though.
     
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    I believe you're missing the "too" in that last statement.
     
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    Hybrid restoration projects, sensitive to originality take place frequently in the U.S. This sort of work-scope comes about under two basic conditions; 1) The client communicates that requirement or 2) The service provider recognizes the possibility and communicates the potential.

    Reminder - restorers are "for profit" service providers. If the owner of a car is desirous of a restoration, there's a strong possibility that's what they'll receive.
     
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  18. JohnnyRay

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    My Pantera is all original and unmolested at 51 years old. I get it...
     
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    Having owned and personally performed several extensive recommissioning/refurbishing jobs on 50+ y.o. original condition preservation survivors (of various makes & models, including Ferrari) in past 4+ decades I’m well aware of the efforts to be a lot more than most are able to understand.

    It’s a very small percentage of vintage car owners who care enough about authenticity/originality of survivors willing to pay for their preservation, especially when the required labor hours can meet or, in some instances, exceed those of what most people consider a high(?) level “restoration”.

    Vast majority of collectors/enthusiasts/owners rather spend the money on over-the-top “restoration” and if paying mid-to-high figures for the efforts, they expect it to “look like a million bucks”, even if the fit and finish is nowhere near authentic and/or doesn’t match what it was when the subject was new.

    A subject (car ?) is in its unrestored, i.e. original fit & finish condition only once, but can “restored” countless times again and again once that originality has been erased.
     
  20. JohnnyRay

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    Monterey 2025 has a plethora of GTCs this year. Looks like all are very nice cars. Some have traded in the last 5-10 years for strong prices, thus it will be interesting to see how they fare...

    9237 at Gooding - from the Bethel collection:
    https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1966-ferrari-330-gtc-1/?filtersInput[auctionType][0]=Live Auction&filtersInput[auctionYear][0]=2025&filtersInput[liveAuctionVenue][0]=Pebble Beach&sortBy=ENDING_SOONEST&pageNumber=7

    9487 at RM - ex Gene Ponder collection:
    https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/mo25/lots/r0039-1967-ferrari-330-gtc-by-pininfarina/

    9671 at Broad Arrow - ex Dyke Ridgeley:
    https://www.broadarrowauctions.com/vehicles/jc25_r0014/1967-ferrari-330-gtc

    10761 (making yet another appearance) at Mecum - (ex?) Don Davis collection:
    https://www.mecum.com/lots/1149801/1968-ferrari-330-gtc/?aa_id=697110-0
     
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    Would you be surprised if it cost $300k USD to restored?

     
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    $300k? You've got to be joking! A 330 GTC is almost mechanically identical to a 275 GTB where it cost at least $800,000 US over 3 years ago for a nut and bolt restoration. See thread here.
     
  23. JohnnyRay

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    Maybe if the representative vehicle was pulled out of a swamp. Half that amount would get a lot of work done on a decent car. But, I agree, it's expensive to get the work done these days...
     
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    Interesting auction on Bring a Trailer for 9529, which has now emerged from 50+ years in storage.
     
  25. JohnnyRay

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    #25 JohnnyRay, Jul 19, 2025
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    I'm watching it. The current high bid of $250K took the wind out of everyone's sails...but it's worth that. Debatable that it can go much higher before it becomes a risky buy though. The seller is not being very forthcoming with any more details...which he should really know (and share). And my sense is that the current high bidder may be privy to more information than the rest of us have as well.
     

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