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Airplane physics question

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Does the plane fly?

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  1. INTMD8

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    ^ Wrong on all counts.

    All has been explained so you will find answers in reading rather than responding to the question in a way it was not asked.
     
  2. Leksi

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    A bit time more, and the aircraft will fly together with the treadmill, after a symbiosis.
     
  3. The Red Baron

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    One more go to try and explain this;

    If you go from the start, the plane is sitting on the conveyor belt, engine at idle and no wind.

    Say your standing on the ground off the conveyor belt and hold on to the wing tip.

    As you apply thrust and the plane starts to move forward, say at 1 knot, to which the conveyor belt counters that and rotates the other way, according to the question.

    "The conveyor belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels at any given time, moving in the opposite direction of rotation."

    So you can still stand in the same position with your hand on the wing tip as the plane isn't moving relative to the ground.

    Increasing the thrust basically increases the counter speed of the conveyor belt, so you can still keep your hand on the wing tip. Question also states no wind so the airflow over the wing is still zero, ie no lift.

    No matter how much thrust you have the thrust is countered by the conveyor belt doing the opposite.

    So the plane will not get airborne.

    However for those who understand this, if you had large enough wheels and with your hand on the wing tip, somehow raise the wheels off the ground, then rotate them the opposite way at a great speed (ie, going backwards) the vector produced by the Magnus Effect may !!, temporally lift the plane in the air. If the wheels touch the ground doing this your in deep kimchi.
     
  4. Ak Jim

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    Can you provide a link to a technical writing or article that explains this in more detail?
     
  5. The Red Baron

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    No, just using logical thinking. Trying to make it easier for some to understand.
     
  6. NYFAIM

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    I'm sure this has already been posted...

     
  7. The Red Baron

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    If the plane is accelerating at the same speed and opposite to the car then the plane would stay by the same cone beside the conveyor.
    This is not happening. He is going faster.
     
  8. rob lay

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    if a plane is going 20 mph and a pigeon is sitting on the wing, can the pigeon fly off? :D

     
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  9. rob lay

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    This is funny, I asked AI the exact question in the original post. I have asked AI 500 questions and it always gives an immediate answer, it took longer for this one and even told me it was having to think more. :D

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  10. tbakowsky

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    If the plane stays stationary..it doesn't fly...
     
  11. TheMayor

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    Not necessary true. If a plane is flying at 100mph into a 100mph wind, its stationary.
     
  12. MacNugget

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    A conveyor belt is not able to prevent the plane from moving forward. The plane is not stationary. Ergo, it flies.
     
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  13. INTMD8

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    They simply cannot understand this.
     
  14. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    LOL! Is that real? I wasn't expecting that ending.
     
  15. rob lay

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    yes, about the funniest thing I've seen this week. :)
     
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