Motronic 2.7 self diagnostics | FerrariChat

Motronic 2.7 self diagnostics

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by Dr1ve, Aug 27, 2025.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Dr1ve

    Dr1ve Rookie

    Feb 2, 2022
    35
    Norway
    Full Name:
    Ole-Jakob Nilsen
    Hi all!
    I would like to flash some codes in on the dashboard, but my 1995 456 GT does not have the diagnostic push button on the ECU.

    There are 3 plugs coming out from the main loom, a 3-connector which I presume is for the SD-1 and two single connectors with a blue and black wire.

    Any knowledge on which wire I should short to ground - preferably without frying the ecu?

    [​IMG]
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    I only have one wiring diagram for the 456GT (2.7), and that is the Left Bank Engine diagram. It shows the following:


    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    HN = grey with black stripe
    N = Black
    HR = Grey with red stripe

    Your colours look different.

    On the Ferrari 348, I have these colours:

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    HR = Grey with red stripe
    N = Black
    HM = Grey with brown stripe.

    That seems to be a better match. Anyway, in either case, just short out the black and grey/red as per the test procedure.

    In the diagram, the 456GT blue and black wires are labelled "For excluding idle speed control", whatever that means. They are joined together to produce that effect, but I guess they are not normally joined.
     
    flash32 likes this.
  3. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Assuming that wire on the right is grey/red...

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    Make sure that you have bulbs in the Check Engine lights. I heard that some Euro cars don't have bulbs.
     
    flash32 likes this.
  4. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    flash32 likes this.
  5. Dr1ve

    Dr1ve Rookie

    Feb 2, 2022
    35
    Norway
    Full Name:
    Ole-Jakob Nilsen
    Thanks!
    The 3-pin connector has the correct wires - grey/red and black.

    I got the correct bulbs fitted in the binnacle. I'll have a go flashing codes later today!
     
    Qavion likes this.
  6. Dr1ve

    Dr1ve Rookie

    Feb 2, 2022
    35
    Norway
    Full Name:
    Ole-Jakob Nilsen
    It worked perfectly, just had to hold the switch longer than I thought to make it work (approx 4 sec.)
    I made a plug and play switch to make things a bit easier.


    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    Qavion likes this.
  7. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Thanks for letting us know. Did you get any codes or all was ok?
     
    flash32 likes this.
  8. Dr1ve

    Dr1ve Rookie

    Feb 2, 2022
    35
    Norway
    Full Name:
    Ole-Jakob Nilsen
    Got 1121 with the engine not running, I'm guessing it's the rpm pickup not detecting the engine rotating.

    Other than that it was clean.
     
    Qavion and flash32 like this.
  9. Dr1ve

    Dr1ve Rookie

    Feb 2, 2022
    35
    Norway
    Full Name:
    Ole-Jakob Nilsen
    That is actually quite useful to know. They should be connected when adjusting the throttle and balancing the engine!
     
    Qavion likes this.
  10. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

    May 14, 2015
    493
    UK
    Full Name:
    Robert Batt
    Did you manage to find a corresponding list of codes?
     
  11. Aerosurfer

    Aerosurfer Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 21, 2020
    1,934
    Indianapolis
    Full Name:
    Nick
    belfry likes this.
  12. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

    May 14, 2015
    493
    UK
    Full Name:
    Robert Batt
  13. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Codes can be very different between V8's and V12's, not just cylinder numbering. The P0xxx numbers are usually standard.

    Weird. If I had to guess which wires to short....

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    I would confirm by checking to see if the middle wire goes to ground (and ECU pin 19). The other wire (to be shorted) should go to pin 13.
     
    belfry likes this.
  14. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

    May 14, 2015
    493
    UK
    Full Name:
    Robert Batt
    My mistake. I found another similar plug (with the correct coloured wires) on the drivers side of my LHD car, nearest to the clutch pedal. I shorted the wires and got a code 2411. Anyone know what this indicates please? Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  15. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    No idea. In the link provided earlier, someone speculated that "2" indicated the left bank, but Ferrari codes don't usually work like that.

    If it were true, it might point to injector #7. Is there anything currently wrong with the car?

    Google says a faulty throttle pedal position sensor... definitely N/A.
     
  16. belfry

    belfry Formula Junior

    May 14, 2015
    493
    UK
    Full Name:
    Robert Batt
    The car runs fine! No symptoms and no warning lights.
     
    Qavion likes this.
  17. Mr Mezzanotte

    Mr Mezzanotte Formula Junior

    Aug 22, 2006
    652
    UK
    I thought you could connect a Fiat/Alfa cable to the 3 pin connector and then use an OBDII reader on a 1995 car with OBDI ?
    I tried mine a while ago, and it seemed to connect, but I got no codes from it - so I guess that says no.
    or is the flashing lights only for US cars ?
     
    Qavion likes this.
  18. Aerosurfer

    Aerosurfer Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 21, 2020
    1,934
    Indianapolis
    Full Name:
    Nick
    As in something like this...

    https://a.co/d/ctQKWvp
     
  19. Mr Mezzanotte

    Mr Mezzanotte Formula Junior

    Aug 22, 2006
    652
    UK
  20. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    14,507
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    The 3 pin/OBD2 adaptor is only for 5.2 cars without an OBD2 port. My Australian F355 5.2 doesn't have an OBD2 port, just a 3 pin plug.
     
  21. Mr Mezzanotte

    Mr Mezzanotte Formula Junior

    Aug 22, 2006
    652
    UK
    my UK car with 2.7 has the 3 pin plug.
    I will try out the link and see if the lights come on
     
  22. Mr Mezzanotte

    Mr Mezzanotte Formula Junior

    Aug 22, 2006
    652
    UK
    Left side ECU - Ignition on, engine not running, AC off
    1113 throttle potentiometer

    Right side ECU 0 ignition on, engine not running, AC off
    1121 RPM sensor 1121 (this code will be shown if checked when your engine is off)

    So given that the left side light occasionally flashes on steady rpm (2k), I guess the throttle potentiometer is maybe a bit dirty - I will look to clean and/or replace.

    Thanks @Qavion and @Aerosurfer for your help above in getting me to this point, you are a credit to this community
     
    Qavion likes this.

Share This Page