If you consider the GT3/4/RS the upper echelon sure. But as I said they are track weapons. The GT2, Turbo S, Turbo, GTS and every Carrera model is now Turbo for a reason. For a daily driver weekend cruiser the Turbo S beats up a GT car in every way possible and why I owned so many Turbo S prior to my 488 but as you said Turbo vs NA as you said is 100% the owner and how they drive, so it's not a "bad" thing for the 488 as some people will greatly prefer it, that was my only point. (I will say my GT3 with exhaust was the most fun I've had in a car when I could find a place to really beat on it but otherwise the Turbo S was 100 times better). The sensor issue I've not seen anyone fix for less than 10k and that's still new with only a handful of shops doing it requiring shipping costs currently but when I killed my PDK in my Turbo S it wasn't the distance sensor and I needed a dodson clutch pack to hold the power for an additional 10k. The 3.8 in the GT3 .1 also was a horrendous engine with camshaft failures left and right. Still regarded as a reliable brand, people tend to run with issues posted on forums and make them bigger than they are for all cars/brands.
There were a few little issues that took longer: 1. Small oil leak from a seal (this part took time to get in) 2. Fixed the steering column surround which had broken 3. Fixed rear view camera (aftermarket of course) 4. Looked at a spurious ABS sensor issue (loose wire) 5. Adjusted the targa top latch 6. Replaced some screws that were missing from the under tray 7. Replaced the wheel center caps 8. Oil change and fluids check $4,300
Yes, I wouldn't trust a dealer....they wouldn't know anything about it and wouldn't want them to learn on my dime.
Yea I could definitely see that, honestly how many techs at Lamborghini dealers have ever worked on a Diablo at this point? But I'm not sure if I would say that for Ferrari though, I regularly see 70's, 80's and 90's Ferraris in their workshop all the time....doesn't necessarily mean they are the best shop for the car though.
Non 458/488 owner, but I have logged hundreds of miles with both. My next Ferrari will likely be a 458 coupe. Here's the reality for most of us: neither the 458 or 488 is the perfect track car and in the practical world, most of us live in or near major cities. What difference does it make if one is faster than the other? If your primary focus is 0-to-60 time or lap times, you're probably not in the market for either of these cars. So it comes down to driving experience, looks, sound, etc., and in my opinion, the 458 sweeps those categories. The only real downside to the 458 is that it's "older" and theoretically more prone to major issues surfacing. I find the 458's gearing to be perfect, the soundtrack is incredible, and to me, it's the perfect amount of power for a road car. It's fast enough on the highway and not too much for canyon carving.
I do have to agree with a few members on here that the 458 is not the most beautiful car but very bland looking. The 355/360/430 era of eight cylinder cars were quite beautiful. The 488 has a very wide and smooth looking to it even though the dimension's of the car aren’t that different in size. The only reason that car is so well regarded is it being the final NA motor.