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Hamilton deserves more respect

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  1. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    100% agree... I think the list showed 2 constructors for Senna ... so at least 3. I was going on all the teams that people raced with. excepting Monaco in 84 Toleman never "won" a race

    The 1969 Matra is still one of my favorite cars ever. I grew up with the Poster for Watkins Glen showing Stewart in the Matra in the lead... love that car and poster.... Still have the poster to this day.
     
  2. spirot

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    Growing up, F1 was "my sport" ... I definitely was the weird one out. all my friends memorized all the foot ball, base ball stuff...I knew it all about F1 and Endurance racing - including Can Am. We had a 100Ft slot car track in our attic that we used to use every day in the summer... My dad was a fanatic and so I became one as well. Then as a teen - 20's I got to go to a lot of races when My dad was taking pictures ... carrying about 80 lbs. of equipment around race tracks is not actually that much fun! But you do get to know the history of the sport!
     
  3. spirot

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    If you remember, Prost pulled up to the Flag, and Senna passed him for the "win" ... but Prost was smart enough to know that the results would be taken from the previous lap.... sadly had Senna won, Prost would have won the championship that year instead of Lauda if full points had been awarded.
     
  4. 375+

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    Ditto!
     
  5. LVP488

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    Senna did not win either with Williams, which he joined for his tragic last year, 1994. So he had wins in F1 only with two constructors, Lotus and McLaren.
     
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  6. TopspeedPT

    TopspeedPT Formula 3

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    No. This is the Hamilton hate thread.
     
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  7. watt

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    Ayrtons spirit is on track every race in the heart of Max Verstappen; I was watching the race in our beach house in Malibu at 5 am with my new baby son asleep on my chest when
    Ayrton hit the wall . A true drivers death for a truly magnificent driver: TITAN.
     
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  8. spirot

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    great point!
     
  9. spirot

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    I saw the race live as well, when Senna died. I have a love hate with Senna. He was an interesting person for sure. I believe when he was with Lotus that is when he was at his most impressive... when he got to McLaren with Prost he did change a lot, and not for the better. he became much more dangerous, and difficult, and less of a good driver. I think in his desire to beat Prost he went with the "alls fair in love and war" scenario... and that made him a worse driver. As a person however he was a very nice guy, and really never heard anyone have anything bad to say about him. I know when I met him a couple of times he was always very nice.
    This picture I took of him at Detroit in 86. right after than we got to talking about RC airplanes... he said, stay here and we'll talk later. that was just before Afternoon Qualifying on Friday. His Right Rear mechanic - Digger was his nick name - Jason - dont remember his last name, said that Senna loves remote control planes, and that they fly them in Hethel at the Chapman estate....
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  10. spirot

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    Lauda was one of my hero's growing up, but his years at Brabham reduced his win potential. Had he stayed at Ferrari - he could have been a 4 x champion, as I think he would have won in 79 easily.
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Lauda felt insulted that, without waiting, Ferrari had recruited Reutemann to replace him after his accident.
    For him that was a lack of trust, as he explained in his book. Their relationship was never the same after that.
    Lauda only stayed another year to prove Ferrari was wrong, by winning his second title.
    But he didn't want anything to do with Ferrari anymore, and left for Brabham, and more money.
     
  12. mcimino

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    If I were an F1 team principal and my driver told me he sold his car collection because he was more into 'art', I'd tell him maybe he should give up driving cars and go open an art gallery.
     
  13. 375+

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    What happened to the Sir Nancy acolytes, no paychecks this week?
     
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  14. spirot

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    Yes, Ferrari was pretty cold and ruthless. It was insensitive at the least. I think the reality was that They contacted Fittipaldi the week after the Accident .... and he said no.

    The reality however is that later in life even Lauda said it was a mistake to leave Ferrari.. he should have stayed and could have won a couple more WDC's... I think even Ferrari saw it a bit different but not by much.
     
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    Ferrari hired a driver who no longer cares about owning a car. LMAO you can’t make this **** up…
     
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    Have the cars been sold or consigned, is the F1 gone?
     
  17. Giallo 550

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    Well, if we take the “I don’t have any cars” quote at face value…

    He does go on to say he wanted to design an “F44” based on the F40 with a stick. He also said if he would buy a car it would be an F40, but who knows. If he really wanted one, he would have no problem getting it.
     
  18. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes possibly, but I am glad that Lauda didn't stay, he demonstrated great integrity.
    Same for Surtees who left Ferrari abruptly in 1966 and probably would have won the title that year.
    I like men who stand by their principles, and don't compromise for gain, because I am the same.
     
  19. spirot

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    I'm not sure Surtees would have won in 66... maybe if they had sorted out the car better, but perhaps in 67 had he tested and got the car right... woulda shoulda coulda....
     
  20. william

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    Surtees was leading the WDC after Spa, then left Ferrari.
    Going to Cooper-Maserati, he still finished the season as runner-up to Brabham, with 1 win in Mexico, 2nd in Germany and 3rd in the USA. Proof that Surtees was still competitive even in an inferior car.
    But let's examine the car he left behind, now driven by less skilled drivers.
    In France, Ferrari dominated with Bandini until a broken throttle cable stopped him.
    Parkes, who was slower, finished 2nd behind Brabham. Surtees may have won here, or at worse finished 2nd.
    In Italy, Ferrari won with a 1-2 (Scarfiotti-Parkes); potentially Surtees could have won there too.
    These places and wins Surtees missed would have put him closer to Brabham, and I speculate that developing the car during the season, he could have taken the title.
    As the adage says "You make your bed, now you lie in it", Surtees must have know he was seriously compromising his career by leaving Ferrari, but I admired his attitude at the time, and I still do.
     
  21. Terra

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    Apparently McLaren F1 #044 isn’t gone
     
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  22. Bas

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    All he does is talk.

    A while ago he virtue signaled that he ONLY drives an electric car, yet, was regularly seen in cars that can only be described as the polar opposite of an electric car.

    Now he claims he sold ALL his cars minus the mercedes EV. Yet....don't we all know that if a mclaren F1 owned by a 7x world champion goes up for sale or has changed ownership...it's kinda big news? Surely @Peloton25 would've sniffed it out by now. Same goes for her Laferrari and so on.

    He could buy the best condition Ferrari F40 after a single weekends' driving around with the salary he's getting yet...hasn't.

    Lewis is textbook obsequious. Whoever he talks to he says what they want to hear, or make a grand enough statement that garners attention, without actually following through on it (look at the typical celebrity statement or ''act'' they've done).

    IMO he's deeply insecure. If he truly did all the things he says, good for him. but 9/10 times it's not. Maybe the real Lewis is a genuinely nice and cool person but he's hidden himself under so many layers all I can label him is as false.
     
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