Customers were never a concern for Enzo, those cars somehow became the best of the best - Ferrari - fast forward Atelier TM. Ferrari 849 production over 3 years estimated 3500 units vs 282 million cars made over same period. 282 million cars of which 3500 are 849's oh the pain you must endure over a black strip that may be cured. Undertand it's a thread where people wanted to share their thoughts of design and aesthetics but TM Atelier are very good at curing all issues. I agree not a fan of black plastic but it's a small detail that can be fixed in many ways, Clear bra vinyl factory requests to paint - the factory is always adding more options as time goes on with a model in production.
I'm not sure how you interpreted my post this way. I didn't say my only complaint, but yes, the black trim is a deal breaker. I'm not going to spend $6-800k on a car that I don't like to look at. Nor will I spend $6-800k on a car that I need to wrap to hide features I dislike. There are plenty of cars that are great to drive and that I think look terrific. Including most Ferraris. So better to pass and buy another one of those.
That would be great! To my eye, it's not a small detail. My eye is drawn to it, so it dominates the design (even more so on the 12C and F80). If they'd let me paint the black trim, I would likely get a 12C and would probably want one of these. (Then I start getting into budget constraints though. )
This means fewer units sold, however profit per unit goes up dramatically. Either way, resale prices come down on newer models and past models stabilize.
Man, why would everyone want this car ??? you know there are people who don't need to buy the latest model to feel good What I'd like to know is how many owners of historic Ferraris will buy these... I'm talking about collectors who own 250 SWBs, 275s, Daytonas, 288s, F40s, F50s... that is, cars they own because they've made history, and who've been authorized to do so for a long time @roma1280 ... not those who've made their fortune in tech or Bitcoin over the past three years. In my opinion, almost none... these cars are aimed at a new clientele. I think that's the answer to your question.
That 458 looks menacing next to the SF90. It looks like its going to beat up the SF90 unless it forks over its lunch money.
Define history - Dino built a V6 and that engine was modified for F1 - took 40 year for it to be recognized and now sells at close to 1m. For decades it was a Fiat junk unworthy etc. Ferrari Speciale Aperta - 10 years later is now 2m - two years ago 1/3 the price. Why is the 458A worth 2m - XX Aperta worth 2.6m and the SP3 worth 5-6m What you fail to recognize - today Ferrari's are doing better than ever. Personally think the bold new designs make the older Ferrari's more desirable vs less desirable and so do you.
Don't confuse the cars that make history with those that fuel speculation; they are two different things! If you want to know which cars will enter history since the 2000s, there are very few ( personal opinion ): Challenge Stradale,Enzo, LAF(I'm hesitating about this one) , F12 TDF, and SP3. That s all ! I'm talking about the history of the brand, not the speculative value.
I would place the importance of the 458 above the CS all day every day. It was a far more impactful car to the future of Ferrari than the CS ever was/is. Don't get me wrong, I love the CS, but its not as revolutionary as the 458 in terms of shaping future Ferrari's nor of redefining past Ferrari's. The CS was evolutionary, but not revolutionary.
In discord. When Daniel Marin, CEO of Charles Pozzi in Paris, called LCDM to tell him that his clients wanted a track day car with which they could go to the track by road and come back without breaking their backs, Montezemolo told him we'll see what we can do (this sometimes happened live in those days, still recently). They took the 360 challenge and made the minimum changes to be able to homologate it. elsewhere, unlike the Scud, you can fit slick tires without twisting the chassis because from memory it is fitted with unibol... When the first road tests of the CS were done in Maranello at night, the police called the factory the next day to ask what this car was that had woken up the whole town and if it would last long... The origins and creation of the Strad, in my opinion, have a much greater place in history than the more technologically and mechanically advanced 458. In fact, the bespoke department paid tribute to it with the 70th anniversary livery, featuring the identical tricolor. Everyone at the factory loves this car...
I’m guessing - totally guessing. But I imagine that in the 1950’s when people wanted to buy a 250GTO it was because the car was awesome to drive. Just the experience was amazing. I don’t think they were thinking about the brand in particular and does it fit. My dad loved Ferraris because when he was amateur racing, they were the baddest things on the track - sound, performance, everything was fantastic. When he was able to afford one, he wanted the latest and greatest performing vehicle at that time. So, it was Testarossa, F40, etc. And he definitely did NOT buy them because they were iconic at the time. He always loved the newest ones out. So, I think wanting the latest and greatest is not necessarily shallow as is oft meant by the phrase here. It just means someone who loves the brand and wants the newest technology they have to offer. I can tell you that I would love to have an older Ferrari for the nostalgia and throw back grace - a 330GTC, for instance. Can’t really justify the price of a 250 California which my grand dad had and sold because they could not keep it running. But if I purchase a 330GTC some day, it will be for its beauty and elegance - not performance and every day livability. In that imaginary future, I will have time and skills to tinker with it so I can occasionally drive it. In the meantime, I’m purchasing cars that are dependable to drive and that I am able to purely enjoy driving. So, I have mostly modern cars. 812SF, Portofino, F8 (leaving soon for a 246GTS). Awaiting a C12 and Puro. Do I think they will appreciate? No. I appreciate them!
