Is the black vertical stripe on the 849 an homage to the 1984 Testarossa side vent?

If it is, it's a terrible attempt

 

What a stretch. The whole car is a stretch.

 

Not necessarily homage to the actual air vent, but most likely to the black air deflectors connecting the side strakes in 84' Testarossa. Vertical stripes in the 849 function as air deflectors too.

 

When we look at the 849 in profile, it's all too clear that the vertical black element is incomprehensible and looks more like a pallet strap holding the car body together to prevent it from detaching. It's incredible how with this strange, dark, and completely unrelated element, Flavio Manzoni managed to completely destroy the design's harmony, and, as a Italian journalist has already pointed out, it can only have been because he simply couldn't accept absolute harmony. What Rosario Scelsi later characterized as Manzoni's un-Michelangelisque "artistic" digressions, IMO, results from the man's obsession with the pursuit of originality through a futuristic language that has gone from bad to worse.


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Tough for sure. But it may very well become loveable.

To appreciate it, one needs to get closer to the car to understand...
1) The Testarossa reference
2) The dual layer body design (not only dual tone)
3) The enhancement of minimalistic design

The car has huge cooling requirements, yet it tries to achieve something similar with its body than the much praised 458. However, the bathtub form leading to side vents (originates from the Ferrari F1-75 car) is a challenging design element in the 849 where the valley contains sharp edged wall. The black belt design may actually improve how the intake area looks when standing next to the car.

 

It didn't look out of place in the flesh, it's quite a nice design element, I bet all of the commenters who hate it are looking at photos not at the car in real life.

 

Not gonna change opinion for many

 

I couldn't care any less even if I tried, I am sharing info that's all, form whatever opinion you want.

 

The new car black band might be a reference to the 1980s Testarossa, you can see inside the vents there is a black bar.

If they did a car with side strakes, people would complain it was lazy to copy what came before…

 

Bravo but you did opine on how others will react so not exactly a position of not caring in principle. Its not personal attack to suggest many will still dislike it.

 

I didn’t see it as a personal attack and even if it were, you’re entitled to behave however you see fit. I’ve been through enough in my life to not be offended by a random on the internet.

I’ll say it again: until you the proverbial “you” have seen the car in real life, I don’t consider your opinion valid, because it comes from a misinformed position. Someone might believe they’re correct, and even after seeing the car in person their view might not change, but until that happens, I don’t consider their opinion valid.

 

t think the idea is good and the design is strong
Also think - that if someone can't justify or afford any new Ferrari - they are offended no matter what it looks or drives like.

I have never once in my life time test driven a car - read reviews magazine R&T to make a decision or spoken to owners or sales mechanics etc.

Fast forward - people can hate a car by seeing a photo - not just any car but a 500k Ferrari - misery loves company and most of these posts show the persons true self - has zero to do with the newest design. Dislike a design feature a color etc - but to hate a 500k Ferrari and show a pallet strap - ok!

There Is a reason most people dislike new models - then later start to like them, they sound stupid hating a car to owners salespeople mechanics - so they find company here with no recourse.
No one in my lifetime has ever walked up and said they hate my car - 100s of car events not one. Put it in perspective internet comments are not reality. Every Mom Dad kid at car shows are thankful for bring out a car - here somehow people are offended by a Ferrari - done entertaining these people -

 

Dude, you really have a problem with humility, constantly relating everything to money, either you're a rock star, or you need to come back down to earth... If we have a different opinion, it's necessarily because we don't have as much money as you, you're creating a caricature... I'm saying this in a friendly way, but in real life it must scare a lot of people away...

 

Love all cars bikes motorcycles, because an engineer / designer and machinist painter mechanic and want to argue with people who don't appreciate others hard work.

The commitment it takes to buy and own new Ferrari's - so respect the ones that do and the one who produce them for the world to see.
It's not a me vs you or anyone else, it's about respect to what people bust their arse over to own a Ferrari.

Can you imagine the people who work to build these cars - reading your posts?
Put things in perspective -

If you think a person who works their arse off doesn't care about every penny nickle and dime - you are mistaken.
No matter how much someone has - they do not take anything for granted - they respect and wish others success. That's what people who respect other people do - all day every day.

I don't need to waste my time to read people spew hate on a new Ferrari - I get it but it's not for me.

 

It's your choice, but personally, I believe that you have to be able to accept contradictions in life... That's what enriches a discussion, in my opinion...
When you think something is bad, you can and should say so. I'm not a fan of sectarian approaches...
This has nothing to do with those who make the cars, and whom we all respect here, myself included. When something isn't good, there's no harm in saying so; you shouldn't feel attacked by it because you think the opposite. However, it's quite possible that you have more respect than Ferrari has for us, including you...

 

I confess that there are situations where I truly don't understand Flavio Manzoni's choice of design elements. In the case of the 12C, although I don't like it, I recognize that the use of the black band between the headlights was a deliberate homage by Manzoni to the Ferrari Daytona. As with the 849, Manzoni repeated this black band on the bonnet and had also done so on the F80 IMO with little success. The impression I get is that it's a design element that's here to stay and is now part of Ferrari's new aesthetic language.
It is impossible to deny that the name Testarossa has a very strong connection to the past and to the previous Testarossa. Even if Ferrari has now revived it solely for marketing reasons, the 849, by using it, should, I believe, have some design element that connects it to its predecessor. I confess that I don't see any design element whatsoever in the 849 that connects it to the previous Testarossa. What I see when I look at the side of the 849 is a black vertical bar that's certainly innovative, but as I mentioned before, I think it's a strange element that interferes on the design's harmony and fluidity. Since I'm one of those who would never criticize Manzoni for using the gills on the sides of the 849, I'm sorry he didn't use them.

 

Seeing in person hasn’t changed my opinion on any of the recent vehicles released and when I’ve seen the puro or 12c or sf90 even was confirmed in real life. I guess some of us are able to make that conclusion and others not. I have zero doubt I will not be mesmerized by unique black panels, another stripe on the front or some arcane curve I don’t recognize without being up close when looking at the photos and videos. Go ahead and like it. I think it’s horrendous and a sign of more bad need at the company design end. That matters more to me over the long term. Instant classic. Far from it.

 

Well why would one come up at an event and do that? That’s just absurd to think would occur. This forum is different from that. This is a place to specifically discuss these things and is the topic of the thread. It isn’t a thread that says only fanboys post here. It’s not rude to dialogue about this here but would be socially abnormal to walk up to the owner and tell them their car is ugly. And frankly discussing dislikes with salespeople isn’t a problem. Done that plenty of times but I’d say not the thing if you are trying to kiss up and think you have to live everything in order to get some special model later on.

 

Your ability to hate cars sight-unseen is groundbreaking, congrats, you are basically TripAdvisor for places you’ve never visited. LOL

 

How I see it:

In more recent times, I see them starting to incorporate the horizontal stripe on the bonnet beginning with the F12tdf. Some people opted for a stripe that visually joined the two aero bridges. I always thought this was quite successful.

Then we saw a horizontal stripe presented on the Monza SP1/2. Along with this, several clients opted for horizontal stripes on their 812 SF and GTS.

Then with 812 Competizione and A, they turned the horizontal stripe into a physical blade across the hood.

And now we see it relocated to several places on the 12 Cilindri, F80, and now 849. Clearly borrowing inspiration from some models such as the 365 GTB/4 (“Daytona”)….

To my eyes the 849 is influenced by the 1980s Testarossa’s somewhat squared, or blocky, shape at the front and rear. I’m glad they didn’t just copy the side strakes, those were both a technical and style solution. While it’s fine to be inspired from the past, I think overt copying is both lazy and not advisable. I think each model should stand on its own, but with some hints to the past. So to my eyes, I can see a connection to the 1980s car, though you might say it’s a bit abstract. I say thats OK, thats like how art or architecture or even music has become more abstract over the years.

I still need to see it in person, but I think I like it.

 

Does anything about me come across as a kiss up.
This is a sport and like any sport, do not like losing - only reason I buy and collect Ferrari's is they are the best of the best..
Call me a fan boy - who cares, not me.

Wash my cars drive my cars and enjoy - don't dress in red shoes and sit inside my garage on rainy days.
Discussing dislike with salespeople is not a problem - they are window dressing, salespeople don't make decision on allocations never have never will.

 

Thanks bro. Appreciate the sarcasm. Not sure why it is so hard to understand. I can’t believe some of you guys don’t disfavor things based on this. It is practically impossible to believe. There are so many photos, reviews, videos that represent these things nowadays and is impossible to not get an extremely full view of what a car or any other object is at present times.
You guys make it seem we are looking at a 1988 brochure from a car manufacturer that has a drawn image of the car or 3 photos in the pamphlet. Seriously.

 

My man. I can’t comment on you being a kiss up. You introduced that idea. I’m not in a position to say that and suspect you aren’t. I’m not sure how that topic is relevant here to what is being discussed. You brought up sounding foolish if people brought up disfavor to owners or salespeople and that was my response. It’s ok for you to like it and for me to not like it. But my point about fanboys relates to some in whatever brand it is that will never find fault with any product and that just isn’t reality, especially when there has become a substantial shift of both design and thus response to the design cues and direction that has made a large number of prior passionate enthusiasts and owners question a great deal of the lineup. This forum may have surely non owners but there are plenty of owners on here myself included who are troubled and disappointed significantly by the options.