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2007 F430 beeping sound from instrument cluster

Discussion in '360/430' started by maxxxon, Feb 17, 2013.

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  1. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
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    Finally reinstalling the dash after fighting with the fitment on the new headlights for days.

    In the workshop manual, it says that "After replacing the instrument panel, you must run a learning cycle."

    Does this simply mean turning to position 2 and waiting for check ok? I'll ask Rod tomorrow, but was wondering if anyone here knows.
     
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  2. njjanjja

    njjanjja Rookie

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    Not exactly sure, I had to insert a disc to reboot my entertainment system after a movie company blew out my speaker during a “Die Hart” movie shoot. I’m sure your guy will know. Let us know if your car is back up and running after your cluster repair. I’m still procrastinating on my 430 repair, it’s resting quietly in the garage while I’m driving my GT500. I’m taking my Vette off the lift next month and putting the Mustang back up so no rush on this Nonsense!
     
  3. ADA///M

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    The more I keep thinking about this, the more I think there has to be something/things causing it beyond a failure in the cluster motherboard. Not that it isnt happening, but I think something is causing it.

    Could be as simple as years of batteries getting too low and wrecking havoc. Could be some other electrical items that aren't functioning perfectly?

    I say this because my issue is so weirdly sporadic and not consistent. Seems to happen when the car is started often and driven little (times it's been in the shop or similar places). Sometimes it happens when the battery has been on a full charge. Sometimes it doesnt happen when the battery hasn't been on a charger for 2 weeks and the car hasn't been driven at all.

    Sometimes its 5 seconds of beeps, sometimes its a minute.

    There's other beeps/noises happening that sound different but similar. High pitched noise that seems to go along with RPM. Occasional single loud beep when first driving.

    I could be overthinking it and chalk it all up to this cluster issue/italian electrical systems. Just seems so weird.

    Also, do we really need the beeps? Can we just remove a speaker?
     
  4. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Spoke to Rod and he laughed and confirmed that there is no learning cycle. So just plug it in and send it. So that's good news.
     
  5. singletrack

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    I thought about all this too. The problem with removing the speaker (which is on the board btw), is that it does alert you to import things - say the SLOW DOWN light as an example. It tells you when you are in reverse, etc. I also have so many projects on my cars that I didn't have time to really dig deeper.

    Rod confirmed that the noise is usually a precursor to additional failures on the board, so any "fix" to the speaker may be fleeting anyway. If you search, there are people where the entire cluster just dies.

    Having worked in pretty sophisticated software/hardware in my career, I can say that even the most sophisticated boards can do absolutely bananas stuff when they fail. It would not surprise me AT ALL if some of the components on this board are beyond their MTBF.

    This is the problem with modern cars. They have so many electronics that it is not a question of if they will fail, but when. This year has been brutal for me with my 09 m3 and the 08 scud. But honestly, every failure I kind of said "eh, well yah that makes sense, I mean it's 16-17 year old car". Kind of sucks, but that is the reality IMO.
     
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  6. njjanjja

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    It’s unfortunate when we have an issue with one of our vehicles, especially when we are careful with them. This particular issue along with the ridiculous “sticky buttons” appear to me to be something Ferrari should address for their clients. When you source bad parts or choose to put a coating on your products that fails over time it’s your reputation on the line, it’s really that simple. I have had 3 Ferrari products, and always been extremely pleased with how my cars have been maintained and their service area. My Porsche dealer took great pride in his service area, it was nice but nothing compared to Ferrari’s shop. This repair in my opinion is beneath what I expected from Ferrari.
     
  7. ADA///M

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    agreed. I guess I'll just wait until the beeping becomes a real issue (hopefully before a full failure) and then get the repair done. So far the beeping is non-existent most of the time.

    I could easily live without the audible "warnings" as long as there are lights or visual warnings.
     
  8. njjanjja

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    Mine starts beeping after 15 or 20 minutes driving time, and continues beeping for the same 20 minutes after the car is shut off and the key has been removed. It has also stopped beeping entirely then once again resumed after a few quiet outings.
     
  9. singletrack

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    I get your disappointment. I mean there are other things on the car that are also pretty poor. Like have you looked at some of the welds? LOL. Also, what about the paint? The black paint in the door jams on mine is flaking off and looks like it was just sprayed over the red without proper surface prep. It doesn't bother me though honestly because I understand what Ferrari was in 2008. Now if that happened on a modern Ferrari that I bought in 2025, I would be outraged.

    In their defense, a lot of cars from other manufacturers of the same generation have finish problems on interior parts. On my 09 m3, the surfaces are not sticky, but they have degraded quite a bit and are easily scratched or damaged. So they have some kind of adhesion issue as well. I bought these high end wall lamps in 2010 or so, same deal - they got sticky over time and I had to strip the coating. Not sure who was making these coatings at the time, but they screwed up huge amounts of products - not just limited to the auto industry.

    How's this for bad news - did anyone notice that the gauge cluster is coated in the sticky stuff too!? And it extends behind the plastic. That sounds like a nightmare to fix.
     
  10. singletrack

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    Almost sounds like something heating up to a point where the beeping starts, then it continues after shutdown - until it cools down. I'm sure an EE could give a more eloquent explanation.
     
  11. singletrack

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  12. njjanjja

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    Your points are well taken. I have owned performance and muscle cars my entire life, some better than others. My Corvettes through the years have been both good and fair as regulations affected performance. I finally bought a Mustang GT500 after owning Chevrolet products my entire life and was certainly impressed with the fit, finish, and impressive engine signed by the builder. Chevrolet has been using fiberglass engine covers instead of building a beautiful engine. My ultimate car was always a Ferrari and after finally buying my first I was hooked. The fit and finish was superb, performance, ride, sound, everything you expected from a world class car. The dealership experience has been exceptional, I consider my service manager a personal friend. My wife has him on speed dial (she had my 430 on a movie set when my speaker was damaged). The sticky buttons were annoying but not a game changer, they can be easily dealt with using a little patience. This beeping is bush league to me, far beneath what I expect from Ferrari and has unfortunately soured me from adding a 458 to my garage. I still love the look of my 430 and will pass it on to my children I suppose I am just disappointed.
     
  13. njjanjja

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    Thanks for the photos! They are the first I have seen! I hope your problem is solved with this rebuild and you can continue to enjoy your car
     
  14. Ffre92

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    not many other 20+ year old cars worth keeping on the road, so hard to compare long term quality between brands.

    good news about the gauge cluster, it’s easy to fix. It’s not degradation of coating, but seems like residual from some sort of glue or adhesive. Just a qtip and isopropyl alcohol cleans it right up. I had my independent do this for me this year
     

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