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PPF removal-- you've got to be kidding me

Discussion in '360/430' started by KC360 FL, Sep 27, 2025 at 12:20 PM.

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  1. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

    Jun 20, 2017
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    I knew my 360 had some old PPF on the front bumper and rocker panels. I have been down this road before with my 911 rear fender flairs. Removing this stuff is ridiculously time consuming. And now (using an upholster's industrial steam machine) I am finding out that this PPI cannot even be peeled off anymore. It simply and completely disintegrates into a gooey mess.

    Take this as a cautionary tale. If you have this on your car. Remove it at least every 3 years. This stuff was on my 360 when I bought it. Never again will my 360 have PPI on it anywhere.

    This is so bad, I'm actually considering buying a new front bumper. It took me 45 minutes to remove 3 square inches and at this rate it will most likely become a 40 to 60 hour (tedious and exhausting) experience to remove it ALL from my front bumper alone.

    Like I said... just a warning to those out there that have PPI on their cars.
     
  2. ADA///M

    ADA///M Karting
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    Yeah it can be scary. Aside from removing paint with it.

    It's more of a problem with older PPF and those that spend a lot of time outside in the sun
     
  3. Enzo Sebastian

    Enzo Sebastian Formula Junior
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    You know, 5 years ago, my F430 had some original PPF on the flares and fenders. The specialist wanted to detail my car and with removal of the PPF also took quite a lot of paint with it along the rear fenders and front bumper.

    I was gutted. All repaired beautifully, and the shop took 50% of the paint costs, but I know what you’re saying. No more PPF.

    It’s actually like wrapping your couch, why bother?
     
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  4. Innovativethinker

    Innovativethinker F1 World Champ
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    While I’m sure it will protect from chips, to me it seems to create more problems than what it solves.

    Perhaps on the lower front of the car, but other than that I don’t believe in it.
     
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  5. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    I can more easily deal with the paint chips. I have a shop and I build high end cars... I know a guy (Ha!) that is an expert painter ;)
     
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  6. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    The paint coming up with the PPF can be a concern. I've changed out my clear PPI "spats" on my 911 cars through the years and haven't encountered that. But I have heard of paint coming up with the PPI removal process. Sometimes I wonder if those cars are ones that have had paint repairs on which the body panel was not properly prepared. I once had a gentleman in my shop that saw how we taped the edges of the doors, hood, fenders, etc. during final assembly of a car we painted. He asked: "Don't you worry about that tape taking off paint when it's removed?" My reply: "Not any paintwork that comes out of this shop I don't"

    Your comment about wrapping your couch reminded me of my first car. I had the seats redone in white vinyl. My mom said that I should put seat covers on them to keep them nice. My Dad and I looked at each other and he said "what's the sense in that? Just enjoy it"
     
  7. andrejwolk1975

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    Feb 28, 2020
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    To remove old ppf and to avoid ruining paint some detailer uses a rag soaked in really HOT water, keeping it in place for some time and scraping/peeling after. For cleaning the glue residue try isopropilic alcohol.
     
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  8. Lucid moment

    Lucid moment Karting

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    I am fortunate to never have had an issue with PPF removal. However having a good installer is key. No need to replace PPF in my opinion every three years, if done correctly and quality product is used.
     
  9. KC360 FL

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    Nope. Mine looks fine but the steamer only softens the stuff. You can't get and edge and peel it off. It simply just crumbles as if it is all just adhesive. Probably an inferior product. I've never had that happen before and I've removed PPI before. Plus a steamer is the way to go.
     
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  10. KC360 FL

    KC360 FL Formula 3

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    This is what I'm dealing with. The section pictured took about an hour. No peeling just steamer and scraping. Seems like the PPF is very thin.


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  11. ryalex

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    New PPF product is going to be much better, but yes you need to change it out. I was told 3-4 years for wrap and a little longer for PPF but as I recall prior shop said not more than 6 years for safe removal.

    Just asked my wrap guy - he said the new PPF is offering a 16 year warranty. I would never leave it that long but it goes to show the advancements.
     
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  12. BlacktopRacing

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    Simply put, not all PPF is created equal. Variables such as brand, type, and how long it's been on can all play a part in how easily it comes off, as well as how much time it has spent in the sun. So it's not really good advice to replace it every 3 years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
     
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  13. andrejwolk1975

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    Some sort or cristalization with a faint yellow hue. Poor product, poor UV resistance.
     
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  14. KC360 FL

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    I agree. The hood had a strip of about 18" up from the front edge of the hood as well as a piece around the headlights about 4" from the top of the headlight back onto the fender. I used my steamer and it peeled off in small pieces but still a manageable job. Not like this stuff on the front bumper. Definitely two different products. Don't know why that would be. Obviously what was applied on the hood was not the same stuff that was applied on the bumper. Car had only 24K miles on it when I bought it. It's been garage kept since I've owned it.
    Definitely in for a really exhausting time consuming job. :mad:
     
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  15. bigsquat

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    I have to do this to my entire car and I mean the entire car. Every bit of exterior paintwork is covered with PPF from the rockers to the roof! I might not live through it.
     
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  16. DiSomma6

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    I to do not believe in PPF for the following reasons:

    1. It NEVER looks as good as paint. The luster of the best PPF just doesn't match that of paint, and sacrificing that to preserve a car for next owner robs me of most of the enjoyment.
    2. It's easier to just put distance between you and the car in front of you than it is to deal with the perils of PPF. You would be surprised to see how much a difference that makes.
    3. PPF is made only for NEW, original paint - not repainted panels. Regardless of who did the paintwork, any refinished panels WILL, without exception, be ruined by PPF when it is removed. I see videos of people putting PPF on expensive cars after a repaint is completed and I find it hilarious how ill-informed they are on paint process. You shouldn't even wax, polish or ceramic coat any paint that hasn't had at least 6 months to allow the gasses to escape. Once you PPF a repainted panel, especially that early in its live, you've sealed its fate.

    Also, don't get me started on the biggest automotive scam of the century - ceramic coating.
     
  17. hessank

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    .......... which also is the reason I would NEVER purchase a car with a full frontal PPF or wrap.
    You have no idea what's hiding below it. My son bought a beautiful to look at BMW 430 that was fully wrapped for a color change
    When he removed it to go to the orig color, below the wrap was only a thin layer of aerosol paint just above the primer Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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