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Official Ferrari 812 Competizione and C Aperta value thread

Discussion in 'F12/812' started by roma1280, May 6, 2021.

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  1. of2worlds

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  2. SquadraCiano

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    Does anyone have any data on recent 812 Comp/Comp Aperta values in the US?
     
  3. eggwhitecocktails

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    Some recent sales:
    - 2022 Greenwich comp last listed 1.85 (528 miles)
    - 2023 Seattle comp last listed 1.95 (66 miles)
    - 2023 Greenwich comp A last listed 2.55 (969 miles)

    Market seems to be holding strong on these despite dealers now allowed to list inventory publicly.
     
  4. V12 GTS

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    Glad that Comp and Comp A markets are strong. However , give me an 812 SF or an 812 GTS and I will keep the change, and invest it wisely, have just as much driving fun, and do better from a financial standpoint. I will humbly sacrifice the bragging rights!
     
  5. _Alex

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    Not just bragging rights. 812 vs comp are completely different animals!
     
  6. eggwhitecocktails

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    This!
     
  7. V12 GTS

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    Having driven the 812's and the comp versions, the difference in values correspond to the difference in production numbers not to the difference in performance or driving characteristics. If you think that an 812 Comp A is 5x-6x better ...then pay $2.5M-$3.5M, rather than $500K-$600 for an 812 GTS. The differences are much more proportional to the difference in base price. For me, the ideal version would be a somewhat heavier Comp A, with an automatic top as seen on an 812 GTS. Do you really believe that the values would be so different if production numbers were equal???



















    kK!
     
  8. eggwhitecocktails

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    It's never been the case that the F12Tdf was supposed to offer 5-6x the *performance* of a regular F12 (or that the 599 GTO was supposed to offer 5x the performance of of 599 GTB, 488 Pista vs. 488 GTB, 458 Speciale vs. 458 Italia, etc.). Honestly, the average driver is not Max Verstappen and wouldn't -- in most scenarios -- feel even the base price-proportional improvement. It is just the case that the *market values* (a.k.a. what rational actors who have the money and must choose whether or not to part ways with it) of the special cars are ~4-5x+ higher. And that's a factor of:
    - better performance
    - better design
    - better sound
    - limited production/availability (and to build on this, *most* owners will never sell theirs... so it is hard to get an ideal spec)
    - ownership signals seriousness about collecting to the brand (thus, on the margin, it could help open access to the next special car)

    Honestly I was a fairly recent skeptic as to whether the Monterey value would hold (and had kinda written my Comp off as worth ~$400-500K less than what the Sotheby's example sold for). But if you look at these recent sales, it looks like folks continue to put a *lot* of weight on the non-performance factors. Hence the market values being quite stable in the ~$2M area for a fresh Comp (w/ discounts for mileage and premiums for Aperta).
     
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