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360 Timing Belt Failure – Cam Variator Question

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  1. Swallowtail

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    Dec 7, 2020
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    Hi everyone,

    unfortunately I had a timing belt failure on one bank of my 360. The affected head will be rebuilt by my machine shop, but I’m unsure how to best proceed with the cam variator situation.

    My car has the later engine with the updated variators from factory. My original plan was to keep the camshafts assembled with the pulleys in order to avoid a full retiming of the engine, since it had been properly timed before.

    I noticed is that the marks on the variators don’t line up perfectly (see attached picture). If I understand the workshop manual correctly, you’re supposed to tap the camshaft side with a rubber mallet to free things up. I tried that with the assembly in hand, but it didn’t have any effect.

    Has anyone here been through this and could share some advice on the best way forward?

    Thanks in advance for any guidance!

    Andy
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  2. RedNeck

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    Clarify...did your engine come from the factory (2004) with the newer variators or were the variators replaced according to the TSB? If the latter, then the marks will most likely not line up with the marks on the marks on the valve cover. If the variators were working fine before, I would say it's a non issue, but you'd probably be wise to degree the cams while you are in there, or at least check them with the DTC and method. After you get the setup perfected, it's not that big of a deal to do.
     
  3. Swallowtail

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    Thanks for the reply!

    My car was produced after VIN 123399, so I believe it came with the newer variators from factory. I’ve now read up on the timing procedure and agree that it’s relatively straightforward to do with the engine out, so I’ll definitely go ahead with it.

    What still worries me a bit are the variator markings not lining up perfectly. I guess at worst it would only throw the timing off a tiny bit, but it’s still something that caught my eye.

    Do you happen to know if the variators can be rebuilt (taken apart and cleaned), or are they considered sealed units?
     
  4. RedNeck

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    To my understanding, yes they can be taken apart, but there is a specific procedure to putting them back together...but the timing should not be "thrown off" if the motor is timed properly, the variator only changes the timing from where it is at a certain RPM.

    https://aldousvoice.com/2018/12/30/ferrari-360-exhaust-variator-operation/

    Here is the timing procedure from the same site:

    https://aldousvoice.com/2016/04/24/ferrari-360-engine-timing/

    What I did when I degreed my cams after removing them for variator replacement, is measure where they were at the prescribed degree marks on the wheel, then subtracted where they needed to be at that position instead of turning the cams at TDC and checking and rechecking...I was able to get them in spec in 1-2 tries using this method, then measured them over the course of several engine rotations by hand. In my case (MY99), my timing marks at the end of the cams were dead nuts in the middle after timing. The later cars maybe slightly off.
     
  5. RedNeck

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    Also @Swallowtail , I have to ask...you had a timing belt thread just a few months ago, what happened that you now have a timing belt failure?
     
  6. Swallowtail

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    Thanks for the links. I understand the basic function of the variator, but what concerns me is that if it isn’t currently in its zero position, the timing could end up being off once it resets—assuming it resets at all. Given some of the “Ferrari quality management” I’ve seen recently, I could also believe this is just considered normal.

    And yes, I’ve done the timing belt not too long before (successfully). This failure wasn’t related to that work, but rather to road debris getting into the belt drive and completely shredding one belt :(
     
  7. RedNeck

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    Sucks to hear about your belt, I'm guessing the belly pan was off? I have a bad habit of driving mine without it sometimes after doing work.

    Ok I think I understand what you are saying now...my mistake. I thought you were talking about the TDC marks that were marked from the factory that were supposed to meet up with the marks on the valve covers. A circle on the picture could have helped ;). Of course, I'm not very bright either.

    I'm not sure that "home" mark is really off. My old variation, for reference, the mark isn't dead nuts on either.

    I'm not sure how many miles your car has but they do have a lifespan, supposedly around 60k miles. While the cams are out it might not be a bad idea just to swap them if you are so inclined, but you will 100% have to degree the cams again.


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  8. Swallowtail

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    You’re absolutely right — a red circle would have made things clearer.

    To clear things up, I reread the section in the manual and have to correct myself. Based on the picture I was under the impression that the outer notch should sit centered between the two inner notches. However, according to the text it’s actually supposed to look more like it does in my case. So I guess it’s a false alarm.

    For future reference, here’s the relevant text and image from the manual:
    The timing variator is provided with positioning marks on the camshaft side. In the event of malfunctioning or overhauling, the rest status (disabled phase) must be checked to ensure that the reference mark (E) on the part connected to the camshaft matches the one (O) on the part connected to the pulley. If this is not the case, use a rubber hammer and strike the end of the pin splined to the camshaft, thereby permitting its rotation and alignment of the marks.
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