Scuderia Ferrari 2025

Re Costa. The Mercedes chassis was bullet proof under Costa, grated a great motor in the car.

 

I am not saying the guy was /is useless but at the height of the Mercedes dominance he was second fiddle to the likes of Paddy Lowe, Mike Elliot, John Owen, James Allison etc

 

Yet together as a group with the cars and PU developed they dominated. It took all of them to get it right overall.

 

If I read this, it seems to disagree with you. Perhaps you know more? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Costa

 

I keep hearing the same about Costa... but at Mercedes he was succesful as engineer not as technical director. The same as at Ferrari.

You know the saying: every employee rises to his level of incompetence.

 

So he had success at 2 major teams. Not a bad F1 life overall. Not sure why he might be seen as less than competent or effective.

 

Competent as engineer but not necessarily as TD, that was the highest position he held at Ferrari.

I say that because of the mantra about how Costa was succesful at Mercedes but not at Ferrari. He wasn't more succesful at Mercedes than at Ferrari.

 

as team technical director, ie the guy at the top (with Almondo holding his hand), his success boils down to the 2007 WDC & WCC + 2008 WCC. The remainder of credits on the Wiki page is irrelevant, he wasnt the General. So was he that good. Overrated perhaps?

 

Generals give the strategy, the underlings figure the way forward. Without Costa, Mercedes has not done that well. Its our opinion, we don't have all the facts.

 

Paula Montaño, simulation engineer, leaves Scuderia Ferrari, after 2 years. She joins Mercedes.

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https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferraris-home-letdown-makes-a-winless-2025-look-more-likely/
Ferrari's latest letdown makes winless 2025 look more likely
A year ago, Ferrari’s Italian Grand Prix victory kickstarted its very promising end to the 2024 season - being followed by two more wins, a late surge towards McLaren in the constructors’ championship and plenty of reasons for hope going into 2025. This year’s Monza letdown bodes much worse for the rest of Ferrari’s current season.

Monza 2025 was not the dream grand prix Ferrari and its tifosi wanted, the SF-25 failing to reach the podium. Pulling off a strategic triumph as it did with Charles Leclerc in 2024 was not possible with no tyre degradation in the one-stop race that Max Verstappen and Red Bull controlled so excellently.

The Monza circuit had characteristics that should have suited Ferrari’s SF-25, but in the end, the performance fell short of expectations and fourth was the highest achievable position.

The 'trimmed' wing
At Monza, Red Bull brought a new floor, which was used on Verstappen’s victorious car, and other teams such as Racing Bulls and McLaren also introduced updated components. For Ferrari, a carry-over of the rear wing used on the SF-24 for the 2024 Monza win had been planned.

The decision to carry over the rear wings had already been made during the design phase of the SF-25, when Enrico Cardile was still technical director. The aerodynamics department, led by Diego Tondi, worked on the 2024 wings, reinforcing them to adapt to the new technical directives and flexion tests.

On the 2025 car, the medium-downforce rear wing was the only one to undergo a significant re-style, adopting a ‘V-shape’ main plane, providing the best compromise between downforce and drag compared to 2024. The Monza rear wing was used with a trimmed movable flap, making the car faster on the straights with DRS closed compared to 2024.

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However, during the Italian weekend, there were some set-up issues on Friday related to braking stability. With the recently updated rear suspension, the car is still in a partial learning phase, and at Monza, it did not respond exactly as the team initially expected, forcing it to optimise the set-up differently for Saturday.

Monza was the first major test of the car’s braking behaviour with the new suspension, which did not help achieve a perfect Friday set-up.

Based on the information we have, the option to use the trimmed rear wing was not the first choice, mainly because it sacrificed cornering speed through the Lesmo turns and the Ascari chicane.

The trackside team later decided to go with the trimmed DRS configuration for both Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton. This decision was made quite quickly as soon as the first comparison between the two solutions was carried out in FP1.

The goal was to maximise qualifying performance – a weak point of the SF-25 – and make the cars harder to overtake during the race. However, performance on both fronts was below expectations. Ferrari's plan to make an against-the-odds home win viable had failed.

No more upgrades
If Ferrari’s 2025 grand prix win tally stays stuck on zero, that negative record would put the SF-25 on par with disastrous seasons like 2014 and 2016.
In a championship with 24 races – one of the longest calendars ever – this statistic becomes even more painful. The numbers, however, do not tell the whole story. McLaren’s superiority this year has surprised the competition, but at the moment Ferrari is the only top team not to have won a race, except for the sprint in China.

We know that the 2025 Ferrari was completely replaced by the 2026 model in the windtunnel from early summer, specifically since mid-June, one month earlier than originally planned. Development on the SF-25 would have continued later if Ferrari had been in contention for the championship.

For this reason, there will be no further 2025 performance upgrades developed in the windtunnel. Currently, there are no plans to spend any of the remaining budget cap even on CFD-only developments, and only track-specific components will be introduced. The performance upgrades that had been scheduled for September have been cancelled. Baku next weekend is a low-downforce circuit where Ferrari has historically performed well, and the team will have to count on making the most of the package it has.

The car for next year, according to our information, is about 70% complete.
In Maranello, work on the aerodynamic development of the main components will continue until November. A basic chassis and the suspensions are already defined, for the first time under the technical guidance of Loic Serra.

 

Indeed and you rightly point out we dont know the full facts, i was merely raising a question mark over the ability of some "top" engineers. I can only think of three outstanding engineers/team leaders who have been successful in pretty much every team they have been involved in, the rest seem to ride on the backs of others.

 

Just shows its a team effort. Not many have the vision to lead.

 

Slow painful end to season possibly! - https://f1i.com/news/549264-leclerc-admits-ferrari-has-no-hope-of-late-season-revival.html

n the aftermath of a disheartening Azerbaijan Grand Prix, Ferrari’s Charles Leclerc admitted that both he and the team fell short of expectations in Baku and that the remainder of the season offers little hope of redemption.

The Scuderia had entered the race weekend on the shores of the Caspian Sea with optimism, topping Friday practice with the SF-25. But the mood shifted rapidly.

Lewis Hamilton failed to reach Q3 on Saturday and Leclerc compounded the frustration by crashing at the start of the top-10 shootout, leaving Ferrari marooned in the midfield.

The pair eventually salvaged eighth and ninth on Sunday, though Leclerc was scathing about his own role in the disappointment.

“Honestly, it’s easy to blame the car for being very difficult to drive, and I think overall we have a disadvantage whenever it’s cold, but I don’t feel like I’ve done a good job this weekend,” the Monegasque admitted.

“It’s been one of my strongest seasons in F1 so far but this weekend I haven’t been at the level where I should be and I take responsibility for it.”

Leclerc conceded that his qualifying mistake had in large part defined the race.

“The mistake in Q3 made us start behind cars that didn’t have the pace that we had inside the car, but cars that were actually pretty fast in the straights and that was very difficult for me to overtake,” he said.

“So I was a little bit of a passenger for the whole race being in traffic and I couldn’t make up the places that I lost in qualifying.”

No repeat of 2024’s late revival
Ferrari has yet to win a race in 2025, a stark contrast to last season’s strong finish that yielded victories in Monza, Austin and Mexico City. Leclerc, however, poured cold water on any suggestion that a similar upturn is around the corner.

“It’s going to be difficult. It’s not the same situation as last year – last year we had a floor upgrade in Monza that gave us a big step forward,” he explained.

“This year we don’t have that so I don’t think that we have any hopes for it to be significantly better from now on.”

 

Pope Leo XIV: "The steering wheel is nice Mr. Elkann but when are we going to see a championship driver trophy or a championship constructor trophy?"
"Ferrari needs to do this!"


Translation: Pope Leo XIV received John Elkann, accompanied by his wife Lavinia Borromeo, in the Vatican today. the gifts presented to the pontiff was a Formula 1 steering wheel. Obviously, UniCredit will be pleased with the Santander logo prominently displayed.

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Maybe Elkann will get sh*tkanned:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ferrari-chair-faces-new-legal-battle-with-mother-over-agnelli-inheritance/ar-AA1NxauU

 

Hopefully. He and his "I was kidnapped by a transgender prostitute" brother are disgraces to the Agnelli legacy and Ferrari.

 

The Scuderia are more focused on being ‘Ferrari’ than being a good team. They don’t understand that being a good team is what made them in the first place.

Brake rotors exploding and crashing in the pit lane both in the same weekend. This on top of all the other bad decisions at every single race. This in season where they can’t get the performance out of the car because they goofed the calculations of the ride height.

2026, unfortunately I have no hope. It doesn’t matter if the make the best car on the grid. The team isn’t up to the standard of performance of a championship winning team.

 

True, this year reminds me painfully of 1991 and 1992 when the team was gradually exploding from inside after a brilliant and competitive season (1990)

 

I actually suspect Fred may have the wits to fix this however his hands may be tied.

 

Personally I dont think FV can fix this or has the ability, its entrenched into the team to fail. For one of the top teams in F1 to give up for most of the 2025 season (& 2024 season) is truly shocking, they will never learn anything about fixing the woes of the 2025 car if they dont get stuck into development and wrestle back some credibility for the team and moreover for FV. They didnt learn the lesson last year and gave up on technical advancement and instead put faith in a new design for 2025. That failed miserably as well.

We then have Serra's attempt to fix some of the problems with a suspension upgrade and minor aero upgrades, thats failed too. So now we have a TD who is incapable of fixing issues with this car when others have improved, doesnt bode well for 2026. Now they have given up again, what does that tell you about the direction under FV & LS, forget all the hogwash about cost caps.

To be fair to FV, he did say dont expect anything until 2026.

At the Singapore GP they were the only "top" team to be slower than last years car in qualifying trim albeit they made it to Q3 this time!!

 

The question is if Fred has had an opportunity to correct the culture (which is the real issue) or not. We see how deeply Elkann seems to meddle in the F1 team.

 

Indeed and I sincerely hope he does succeed unfortunately I have a sneaky suspicion he will hit a wall or has already.

 

Fred will be the 7th TP at the Scuderia IF he gets replaced since Domenicali.

A TP at the Scuderia has a life span of 5 years more or less.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"-->Roger Daultrey from The Who.

 

2008-2014 StefanoDomenicalli
2014 Marco Mattiaci
2015-2018 Maurizio Arrivabene
2019-2022 Maurizio Binotto
2023- ... Frederic Vasseur

The Scuderia had 23 Team Principals since 1950 when F1 started.
Most of them lasted 3 years, but 8 of them lasted one season or less !!!
Jean Todt stayed 14 years though ...