Trade an 812 GTS or Pista for 296 Speciale?

They were 270-325 for a year but post Monterey higher - and also low supply might not be helping. Will see how it develops this winter.

I haven't driven Pista on the street but did on track with a helmet and definitely thought the 296 was more fun because of sound, chassis size, and just about as useful for my driving skills speed/agility wise. I also don't remember the Pista being at Porsche or even Lambo level steering feel, still felt "electric-y" to me. ANd I'm not a baller enough to risk warranty with exhaust on a Pista. At current prices I'd do a 765LT (stock) vs Pista or SF90 for a high performance 296 alternative.

 

Clinical is a good word for 296 steering, disconnected in feedback yet so connected in instant response is a big dissonance.

Unpopular opinion here but I'd take 4RS if I had to go down to 1 mid- or rear-engine. Part of that is because of the "event" ness of it despite how many 4RSs there are around here. Feels more like an event to me than 296 as a driver.

Drove a 4RS 500 miles yesterday and it was fun the whole time and not too bad in traffic - yet had no trouble sleeping, walking, or hearing today.

I've also never had friends fall asleep in the passenger seat of 4RS but have in 3RS, GT3, and 296.

 

Different opinions make the world go round. You’re extremely partial to Porsches. I find the current generation extremely boring. I wouldn’t go near any of them vs a 296.

the new Turbo intrigues me if it eliminates lag. But there’s nothing very special about it. And the price is now Nuts

 

Ferrari steering, Pista or otherwise, has always been "twitchy" and so sensitive as it makes you feel like you could steer with two fingers..

I seriously feel like Ferrari tunes it this way to make the car feel lighter.

 

The GTS T-Hybrid is sharper for the hybrid system and sounds more growly and to me interesting than the non-T-Hybrid/RS 992s.

But it's not a brutal difference like in the G90/G99 M5, GT63E, or Urus SE.

And it's a bit less electric kick than 296, Artura, or Eray.

All of which makes sense since it's not plugin, no electric range, and the added weight from the system is so low.

 

Sleeping? Strange friends you have- maybe you drive too slow?. Steering… Clinical? I’d say amazingly precise and accurate- so much so- it feels like an extension of myself- hardwired from my brain.

I thought the 4RS wasn’t special and the ride was ridiculously harsh for the road. Comparing secondary market prices- I sold the 4RS and bought two 296’s because the 296 was so, so much more special and superior in literally every way. There’s a place for the 4RS… your garage.

 

Certainly precise and accurate. Clinically so. Less feelsome. Car is certainly the most agile-feeling car over 2500 lbs I've driven.

Sounds like 4RS is not for you - no cars are for all. But 24/25 4RS seem to ride a lot softer than 23, even softer than 991 RS, but not as soft as 296.

 

Different definitions of event too. 4RS makes me smile more and want to keep driving it and feels special.

Dakar makes me laugh barreling around town and is my favorite 992 but a bit less special and it's easy to be done with it when I am done driving around.

And where I am, Dakar and M5 Touring get more attention/comments/etc than 296 but I feel less conspicuous if photographed than in 296. Have had more cool car guy and gal conversations in M5 actually. Yes women too unlike all the other cars which are basically dick magnets except Evora GT and Mini JCW.

Not trying to dump on 296 but I guess one more point - I am usually so distracted by the wall of beep and having to fumble to press the ignition then qualifying then ignition that starting up the 296 usually doesn't feel like an event either to me. I suspect the Speciale will be more of an event but still have the wall of beep starting up or even worse pulling into a spot.

 

Right? I wouldn’t go on a wine forum to talk about how much I like beer.

If Porsche, as a brand or experience or whatever just does it for someone, great. I can’t think how any Porsche (non 918/Cgt) can touch a 296 in any objective (or certainly emotional) metric except perhaps 0-60. But if for someone, it does, cool!

Doesn’t really add a lot to this place, though.

 

Man…who talks about cars being “dick magnets”? What are you…13 years old?

 

Sorry if I've offended folks who think that Ferrari is solely best or 296 as part of it. I encourage everyone who's not tried 296 to do so as it definitely has some superpowers, particularly agility and for modern Ferrari, sound. I've voted with my money on the 296 3 times but perhaps Ferrari won't wind up being to my taste. Will hang on until Speciale and see.

Above, folk(s) were implying that the experience is also a lot about attention, though not for me.

But... For whatever reason though for sure M5 wagon does get the most attention - and around here white 2RS more than Imola 296 as well. There are a fair number of 296 around though.