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Discussion in '296' started by ajr550, Jun 5, 2022.

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  1. Elitecarguy

    Elitecarguy Karting

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    Just Gourgous. My favorite two!
     
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  2. ab08

    ab08 Formula Junior

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    Did you have any specific information about this? Are you referring to a mid-rear engine V12 hybrid?
    In my opinion, that would be great.

    I agree, normal depreciation has always existed. Even in the VS cars.
    In the last seven or eight years, with the discontinuation of the V8 N/A and rumors of the end of the V12, a culture of hyper-speculation has developed around models considered the "last of their kind."
    An example of this change is the fact that, in 2009, when the 458 Italia was launched, the 430 Scuds underwent normal depreciation until the average price stabilized. Today, even with the launch of the 12C, we see 812 Competiziones at exorbitant prices, reaching levels similar to the MRSP of an SP3 at launch.
    This has attracted many speculators, and it has become a culture, with customers buying regular versions with an investment bias.
    But depreciation continues to occur normally, and this has frustrated many people who were counting on a non-depreciation that cannot actually exist.
    Ferraris (and sports cars in general) aren't investments, but rather something you buy to enjoy, a life achievement. It's possible that the car depreciates less, and the average price stabilizes, but this is a matter of circumstance; it shouldn't be the primary focus of the purchase.
     
  3. Cocoloco

    Cocoloco Formula 3

    Nov 26, 2013
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    Did the Scud stabilize or the economy - rates dropped / prices went up
    Fast forward US prints 5 Trillion / interest stays low - fast forward again high rates low consumer confidence drives down secondary markets.
    I think it's the economy that affects the secondary market - let's face it every dealer has every allocation sold for the next few years.

    I don't have any info - the V12 is at max hp. they have to go hybrid, my guess it will be a smaller hybrid with the V12 but hybrid for sure.
     
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  4. of2worlds

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  5. Shack

    Shack F1 Rookie
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    Wow the Speciale has not aged in a decade - just stunning car !!!
     
  6. PieGre

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    The production has started or will start soon ...
     
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  7. Foxmod

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    Last I heard, the first customer cars will arrive in the UK in December
     
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  8. KL runner

    KL runner Formula Junior

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    Not in US
    If it follows the previous VS cars the first cars will be delivered in Europe before year end , then US then APAC late 1st qtr next year
     
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  9. Cocoloco

    Cocoloco Formula 3

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    #6085 Cocoloco, Oct 8, 2025 at 7:39 AM
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2025 at 7:49 AM
    458S 250 pounds lighter than VS
    597hp 398 torque vs 880 hp 557 torque - 458S engine is one of the best engines ever built.
    1.23 vs 1.19 lap time - 2 seconds behind XX
    VS tire advantage is a chunk of performance - 458S
    Hope to see like posts here - on VS. Speciale has aged well in every category - impressive even today
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/technical-aero-458-italia-vs-speciale.421887/
     
  10. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

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    You have the 458 Speciale power in bhp, it's 605 hp to compare with the 296 Speciale's 880 hp.
    According to Ferrari, the 458 Speciale lap time is 1'23.5, half a second slower than a base 488 GTB and 2s slower than a 488 Pista.
    SF90 XX is 1'17.31 (now that's precision), SF90 is 1'19.0 exactly as 296 Speciale.
     
  11. Cocoloco

    Cocoloco Formula 3

    Nov 26, 2013
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    I got close :) skip 488, it's the Speciale and my focus is to see if it earns the same respect.
    296 SF90 years ahead of the competition - XX in its own league
    Time will tell - Ferrari takes seat time experience serious on track versions.
     
  12. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

    Jan 21, 2017
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    Interestingly, both 458 Speciale and 488 Pista are the final "track oriented" versions of a technology (NA V8 for the 458, turbo V8 for the Pista - even though there was another turbo V8, the F8, after the Pista).
    One question about the 296 Speciale is whether there will be a "296 M Speciale" (whatever it will be called) with a similar V6 hybrid technology, in which case the 296 Speciale would be in a situation comparable to that of the 430 Scuderia. This question will need years to be answered though.
     

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