Oil Leaks in V12s

At one time I really considered getting a 812SF.

 

If dealer can use RTV to seal, why can't Ferrari do that from factory?

 

Worth reading OPs previous anti-Ferrari rant. I don't really understand why a non-owner would go to the effort to go to a Ferrari forum and spend such energy dissing Ferrari's. Apparently he has been 'looking' for an 812 for two years. I wonder if he is just looking at the cheapest cars on the market, that are cheap for a reason.

 

If you want a car with great build quality, buy a Toyota. A lot of my Ferrari friends and I joke about how our cars are pieces of **** at times, even though we wouldn't trade them for the world.

 

I have called this guy out a few times for this exact same reason. He bamboozles everyone with the 812 for its oil leaks, then some door hinge problem, then the aftermarket exhaust etc. This guy seems like he wants to buy an 812, but either cannot afford one, so he goes on justifying to himself this way, or he simply hates the brand. Strange, strange guy. Some of these 812 are 6 or 7 years old, so things sometimes do happen.

 

Maybe the OP needs to be reminded of Porsche’s slue of mechanical mistakes. All marques have issues.

 

OP is a porsche guy - no pun intented.

 

IMS bearing and cylinder scoring have effected modern Porsches.

 

Don’t make me laugh. Panamera is no more VW derived than 911 is.
In fact, 911 is more VW derived than Panamera given its roots in the humble beetle. The Panamera platform is unique and the only other vehicle to use it is the Conti GT.

And really, saying that 911 is the only Porsche that counts is pathetic - simply because it doesn’t suit your argument that Porsche only makes good cars when they clearly make lemons too (Taycan anyone?).

Like I said in reply your other sh1tpost on another thread - we know that Ferrari makes questionable engineering decisions but don’t go around pretending that Porsche can do no wrong. Many of us own both marques and you’re fooling no-one but yourself.

 

If you don't like them, then don't buy them?

 

OP.....what does it mean when there is oil sweat on the mass air flow sensors of the V12? I think they are the mass air flow sensors.

 

996 and 997.1... 9A1 engine int he 997.2 Carrera cars fixed the IMS bearing issue by not using that design anymore.

 

The Panamera is all Porsche.... built like a Porsche - SOLID, handles and brakes like a Porsche. My wife has had 2 of them and they were a little large for her but wow do they handle and run great. Panamera is a way better lux sedan than Mercedes and Maserati we've had. I currently have a 2022 Cayenne and I've driven its relative VW SUV and the 2 vehicles while priced differently also drive very differently, being the Porsche is way more dialed in.

I had thought hard and my mind was pretty made up that I'd sell/trade my F8 and get a 812. After diving into the 812 and speaking with people and doing research I crossed the 812 off my list due to these types of Ferrari V12 issues. No way do I have the patience for this type of careless engine build quality in my eyes. So many leaks and issues and extra expense. So yeah I won't be buying one.

 

Seems like you forgot about the 991 GT3 engine design and metallurgy problems that lead to catastrophic failures and fires.
Ferrari's 8 speed gearbox is a relatively new unit, replacing the 7 speeder.
Since you have seen an disassembled Ferrari V12, you must have noticed what a piece of engineering art it is. Separate throttles (butterfly valves), variable length intake ducts, lightweight pistons and valves, jewellery-like crankshaft etc. When I saw an opened up Mercedes V12 it seemed like a tractor's engine in comparison.

 

One of my 992 GT3’s eats oil.

 

Porsche's engine problems were endemic, unlike Ferrari's.
The intake manifold of Ferraris is indeed on the heavy side, but it serves a purpose, increasing power on the whole rev range due to its intake valves. Ferrari engines are second to none.

 

Porsche did address the issue with the 991, and I don’t agree it was because they wanted to. I had a new 2015 GT3, and many of us created a thread on rennlist listing all the failures. It also got national attention and Porsche invited about 50 of us to the HQ to meet the engineers and they walked us through the fix, and later came out with the 10 year warranty. Also, came with full track day and lots of swag and over night accommodations. Right thing to do, but those engines are still a mess and some have failed 3 times with the fix.

Some of the 2016 GT3 RS’s are having some issues and no warranty and I had that one too, and I sold both of them. My 2019 RS was rock sold and my Speedster. So don’t get fooled by Porsche ……GT3 engines are wound too tight and no more power to be had. By the way the 2016 RS was backed down to 8500 RPM vs. 9000 due to the engine, and as mentioned problem solved with the 2016 GT3’s and 2019 RS. However the 2016 RS’s no extended warranty and some are going kaboom crickets from Porsche. I do agree a Ferrari needs to fight more for the customer, but Porsche has a lot to risk with a bad GT car kills the cult.


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Agree, it’s called having too much money and low risk to do the right thing. But also not aware of a full blown engine crisis at Ferrari? Been a Porsche guy for a long time and Ferrari around 2017 or so. Will say Porsche was pushed into a corner, and media got wind of it.

 

My 812 GTS battery died when i left it at the airport in Jan. I had to evacuate my home due to the fires so we went to NY. It sat at signatures for months and I don’t think they put it on the tender like I told them to. I had it towed to Ferrari Newport and they discovered I had a head gasket leak. I also have Capristo 250 cats/exhaust/x pipe setup. No one said a peep about anything. They fixed the issue under warranty and the car runs better than ever. They took their time and made sure it was perfect when I got it back. Newport isn’t my dealer either. Glad they found it because up until that point, I hadn’t had a single issue with the car and haven’t had one since. I never would have known there was a problem had they not been so diligent.

I think you’re being a bit dramatic and if you have 19 Porsches you should be used to car trouble. If you want an 812 that bad then just pull the trigger and deal with what comes. It’s easily my fav car Ive ever owned and you only live once. Life is too short to worry about what if’s in the world of exotics. Chances are there’s going to be issues at some point. So what….its worth it.

 

No. They haven’t had to because Ferrari has never built engines which grenade themselves. It’s because Ferrari engineers them to ensure that they don’t blow up (unlike Porsche and BMW).