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355 Belt sound higher rpms

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  1. amazingtrails

    amazingtrails Karting

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    Hello, I own a 1997 f355 spider (gated manual). 36k miles. Car runs great. However lately i've noticed a belt type "shuffling" noise at higher RPMs. I don't hear it idling. It is fairly loud in higher gears and above 3-4k rpms. The exhaust often drowns out the sound especially when my windows and top are down. Thoughts?
     
  2. yelcab

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    When is your engine out service?
     
  3. amazingtrails

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    it’s been 3 years according to the previous owner. I was hoping to wait another 2 years.
     
  4. yelcab

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    You have to figure out which belt is doing the shuffling noise. There are 5 belts. Two timing belts, one AC belt, one Alt / water pump belt, and one PS belt. They all have tensioners that may be too loose. From the bottom of the car, you can feel for tension on two belts, from the top you can access one belt, and there is no way to check tension on the timing belts unless you ... remove the engine. And by then, you might as well change them and the tensioners.
     
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  5. amazingtrails

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    Other than the annoying noise is it a problem if I just do nothing and wait for the next engine out service in 2 years?
     
  6. yelcab

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    Depends on what belt... You cannot ignore anything bad with the timing belts. The result of a timing belt failure is an engine replacement.
     
  7. amazingtrails

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    Right but in order to even check the timing belt tension I would need an engine out so that's a bit of a dilemma.
     
  8. yelcab

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    Check the other three belts first ...
    Then decide.
    Nobody ever said owning a F355 was going to be easy, or low cost. Fun, yes.
     
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  9. amazingtrails

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    Thanks for your help. By checking them do you mean just pulling on them to make sure they are tight ?
     
  10. yelcab

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    Technically, there is a frequency spec for each belt. However, that is pretty hard to do with engine in the car. So, do it the old fashion way.

    1. The PS belt is small, and must be really tight. Push on it, it should not give any deflection at all.
    2. The AC belt is second smallest and should give 1/4 inch deflection.
    3. The Alt-waterpump belt is big, and long. That should give you 1/2 inch deflection at the long side.

    This is just ball park, unscientific, take-it-with-a-grain-of-salt advise.

    While you are under there, check to make sure all nuts bolts fasteners tensioners are nice and tight.
     
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  11. amazingtrails

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    thanks for the info. I have attached a sound file in case you can diagnose from the sound.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mwBx34rUrta13ZFajRGgKaxLClgIgMmu/view?usp=drive_link
     
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  13. amazingtrails

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    Try again.
     
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    Are you sure it is the belts ? Hard to make that noise out .. I guess as mentioned above check tension of the accessory belts
     
  15. amazingtrails

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    No I'm not sure it's the belts. I have no idea but it has been getting progressively louder and it's louder at higher rpms. The shuffling sound is clearer if you play it from your phone. It's like background noise to the exhaust.
     
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    It sounds more like intake or exhaust air issue ..like the flaps in intake or the cats failing (movement of the cells inside)

    I think a mechanic stethoscope and someone that pressing the gas and releasing it and you should narrow it down some business
     
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  17. amazingtrails

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    Thanks. I hope it’s the cats. Much easier and cheaper fix than engine out belts. What happens if the cats fail completely?
     
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    If the material gets sucked into valves ..not good
     
  19. amazingtrails

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    Oh also I often smell a sulfur type smell, could this be a sign as well?
     
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    Sulfur usually comes from a failing cat ..yes
    Check it soon
     
  21. amazingtrails

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    I’ll take it to the shop tomorrow. Thanks!
     
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  23. amazingtrails

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    Okay guys I need more help with this. My mechanic has been trying to diagnose the issue for a week and has been unsuccessful. It's not the cats. It has to be related to a pully or a belt at the front of the engine. We think the last engine out was done 3 years ago and the timing belt looks ok. They are going to go ahead and do a basic service, all fluids, accessory belts, etc. that can be done without an engine out. However, I'm concerned this shuffling sound that gets loud at higher RPMs could be related to the timing belt or bearings. I just don't want to spend $30K right now for engine out if I don't have to.
     
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    The accessory belts will usually squeal if not tight enough, not produce a "shuffling noise". Difficult to hear in your sound file; is the noise you are trying to describe more like "humming"?

    If it is humming, it is more likely to come from a bearing. I would first check the alternator belt tensioner bearing, then the alternator bearing(s) and the AC compressor pully bearing (did you check whether you still have the noise when the AC compressor is "on"?).
     
  25. Marsly

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    Sounds like it could be a timing belt or accessory belt issue, maybe a tensioner or pulley starting to wear. At higher RPMs the load on belts increases, which could explain why it only happens above 3–4k. Definitely get it checked sooner rather than later, as belt issues on an F355 can be costly if they fail. Also check for any loose pulleys or misaligned belts, as they can cause similar “shuffling” noises.
     

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