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  1. johnireland

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    #26 johnireland, Oct 17, 2025 at 11:48 PM
    Does Vassuer even show up anymore? It seems as if the cars and drivers don't. Can't they even pretend that they are an F1 team?
     
  2. USMCS6

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    #27 USMCS6, Oct 18, 2025 at 12:42 AM
    What a crap car. Its almost like ferrari tried to suck.
     
  3. DF1

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    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    #28 DF1, Oct 18, 2025 at 1:43 AM
    They all flew to Austin. Did you miss that part?
     
  4. TonyL

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    #29 TonyL, Oct 18, 2025 at 4:35 AM
    Red Bull 0.69 sec faster than last year.

    Mercedes - near as damn it the same.

    McLaren 1.16 sec faster

    Ferrari 0.45 sec slower

    Says it all. they won here last year FFS
     
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  5. DF1

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    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    #30 DF1, Oct 18, 2025 at 5:12 AM
    They opted for new car overall instead of evolution. That appears to be the issue etc. On to next year. Like FA said use the rest of the season as a test.
     
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  6. TonyL

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    #31 TonyL, Oct 18, 2025 at 6:12 AM
    Totally agree, I said this last year about the 2025 campaign and even use one of the drivers as a test mule for development work, with some luck and fingers crossed thats exactly what they are or should be doing. Unfortunately they dont seem to be making progress which would be the whole point by adding updates onto new ideas and evolving this car. Perhaps they are in a data collection period, but if you have useless data they you have $%1T progress.
     
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  7. jgonzalesm6

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    #32 jgonzalesm6, Oct 18, 2025 at 6:30 AM
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    The last 6 races will be a learning curve for the Scuderia for the 2026 reset. Since no unlimited testing, might as well take advantage(2026) of a bad situation for the remaining year.

    Ferrari is going to lose their P3 position in the WCC standings to Max after this weekend. No one after P4 in the WCC standings is close to overtake Ferrari with 6 races left given Ferrari coming in P7 or P8 for both drivers during the race.
     
  8. GuyIncognito

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    #33 GuyIncognito, Oct 18, 2025 at 6:32 AM
    the 2026 car spec is so different, how much are they going to learn?
     
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  9. jgonzalesm6

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    #34 jgonzalesm6, Oct 18, 2025 at 6:36 AM
    Obviously the whole balance of the car is "caty- whompus"-->front suspension not agreeing with the rear suspension thereby throwing the car into a LICO situation throughout the race so as not to go over the specified limit of plank wear. This has been an ongoing situation since the introduction of the rear suspension at Belgium(Spa).
     
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  10. GuyIncognito

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    #35 GuyIncognito, Oct 18, 2025 at 6:45 AM
    this year's car doesn't matter anymore :p
     
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  11. jgonzalesm6

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    #36 jgonzalesm6, Oct 18, 2025 at 7:06 AM
    Not exactly. I agree with your statement BUT the front suspension(pull-rod) that Ferrari introduced in 2025 wasn't used since 2015(10 years) and given the "new" rear suspension, both ends of the car "aren't talking to each other." Given the budget cap, Ferrari is stuck with both suspension setups. Had there been no budget cap, Ferrari would have introduced both suspensions every 2 possibly 3 months to get the balance right on the car. It is what it is.

    Both suspensions are going on the 2026 car but quite possibly with a more aggressive setup of the likes of RedBull and Mclaren who've been working with these suspension setups for awhile now.
     
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  12. TonyL

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    #37 TonyL, Oct 18, 2025 at 8:32 AM
    Dont disagree with anything you say but there has been a fundamental lack of application by senior people in the SF team. 2026 will be wasted because they frivelled away valuable time. FV has to take the blame, he is the boss.

    If you look at the two most succesful teams in the last 5 years, that would be McLaren and mostly Red Bull. Both teams used the Pull (Front) and Pushrod (rear) suspension setups since 2021 with the exception of Mc Laren who used the Push (front) Pullrod (rear) set up in 2021. There 21 season was a flop.

    Ferrari on the other hand, who have struggled with car performance and handling for a good number of years woke up 2021 and said hey we;'ll do the opposite of the top 3 teams and go with the pushrod (front) Pullrod (rear) set. Poor results speak for themselves.

    To add insult to fans injury the last time Ferrari used the Pull - Pull system was with the F2012 the F138 and F14 cars (2012-2014). They won 5 races in 3 years.

    So the wise men a SF chose this setup for 2025.......(ok ground effect and all that but, tyre performance is the achiiles heel)

    Yes i know you cannot directly atribute everything to the suspension but a dog handling cars since 2011 and the inability to switch on the tyres must be a factor.
     
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    #38 67bmer, Oct 18, 2025 at 9:53 AM
    Their relative performance seems to be falling off a cliff.
     
  14. Bas

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    #39 Bas, Oct 18, 2025 at 9:54 AM
    "dont make a car where the suspension sits too low and it grounds out the plank''

    Though I guess they already had a suspicion of that. Next 6 races it's confirmation of theory time.
     
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    #40 mdrums, Oct 18, 2025 at 10:12 AM
    Pathetic!
     
  16. TopspeedPT

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    #41 TopspeedPT, Oct 18, 2025 at 10:53 AM
    Ferrari sucks!
    Williams, Aston Martin and Sauber are faster!
     
  17. Agent Smith

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    #42 Agent Smith, Oct 18, 2025 at 11:37 AM
    Just watched SQ - we're losing to Sauber now. Wow.
     
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  18. TonyL

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    #43 TonyL, Oct 18, 2025 at 11:47 AM
    think postive...when we hit the bottom there nowhere else to go but up.
     
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    #44 HotShoe, Oct 18, 2025 at 12:01 PM
    Or stay there! :eek:
     
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    #45 USMCS6, Oct 18, 2025 at 2:22 PM
    Think of all the extra development time!
     
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