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Erm no, he uses the rules book to his advantage.

And also no, he wouldn't be at the back of the chasing pack. Had Max backed out of it, there would have been at least 1 full car length between himself and russell, which would've easily allowed him to switch back and take the inside line.

I also don't understand where you get the ''illusion to take the corner'' from, he braked exactly where the rest did too, but his car being on the very dirty side and skating on top of the kerbs stopped much braking happening.

Instead of telling people to take rose tinted glasses off, maybe you should put some spectacles on instead and look at Turn 1 objectively.

In any case I don't understand what the whole moaning is about since he gave back the positions properly, but somehow people aren't happy and he needs to give more than the rules say you have.

Hate the guy all you like but at the very last be reasonably objective. We all have our favourites and ones we dislike but slightest bit of objectivity might be reasonable.

 

This is the part you don't understand, by the rules max was ahead, and thus didn't have to give Lewis any room. As @SS454 says, the situation sorted itself out quite nice with Lewis then immediately bumping Max wide in T2, simply hard racing and stewards didn't deem it necessary to intervene. If it helps you at all, Lewis actually got investigated for bumping Max wide in T2 as Max was still ahead, but didn't penalize him.

It's literally the rules that are dumb. I'm not a fan of the way the rules are written, as it doesn't allow for proper, beautiful racing, but you can't get angry at the guy who uses these very rules to his own advantage.

 

100% F1's racing rules are horribly written. It boggles my mind that they can't just adopt Alonso's common sense approach. "You must always leave room". Obviously some refinement in the details but imagine side by side racing with both cars staying within the boundaries of the track!

 

Chill, no point getting banned because you cannot hold back. It's not meant to antaganise anyone.

The rules are quite simple in all reality

Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not leave the track without a justifiable reason.

Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the Race Director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.

33.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.


A experienced World Champion drives on the outside of Turn 1 with 3 other cars blocking his path to the apex is a clear indication he had no plan to stay on track. ie the illusion! You say he couldnt brake hard because he was on the kerb, so he put his car in a "potentially"dangerous position then, the lasting advantage is that he didnt lose anything by driving off the track - rule infringment!!

I think you need to learn some objectivity before you start preaching to me. Your Verstappen bias is clouding your judgment, just because i dont agree with you or like the guy doesnt mean I should just roll over and accept your POV.

Argue as much as you like but the facts are there, its just that you dont want to see it.

 

I don't think I said anything particularly offensive nor did you, we're just seeing things differently.

The Wild Four-Way Fight To Turn 1 In Mexico | Jolyon Palmer’s F1 TV Analysis

at 23 seconds into this video Max makes the move. Both Ferrari's are side by side and in Norris' slip. The Ferrari's with now Max alongside then make it 4 wide.

Max is under no obligation to back out at any moment, the track is plenty wide enough.

I don't understand why you are so desperately want Max to have a penalty, He came into T1 braking zone joint 1st with 3 others, went off track, and rejoined 4th. He gained nothing, could even be (somewhat desperately) be argued he actually lost out if one was to take a micrometer and a law book. Max rejoined safely and gave back any advantage cleanly and clearly, so why all the underlying, bolding and italics of irrelevant twaddle?

Norris did nothing wrong. All clear.

Hamilton didn't do anything wrong, all clear.

Leclerc took the short cut and gained. No penalty.



33.4 doesn't apply here in any way shape or form.

Maybe we should just ban racing altogehter, or make designated overtaking zones on really big, really wide straights...

 

Err this is the bit you dont understand and Verstappen is off the track again. You have to admit at the next corner while he is forcing russel off the track Bearman sneaks up and takes the place form him. I bet the red mist descended.


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So the rules are irrelevant twaddle then. You seem to gloss over the important bits so just to be clear, its highlighted. do you want the text bigger next time!

Is there any racing apart from a procession?

Thats partly the point, he doesnt back out because he is intent on doing something else, the other nonsense you keep telling me is he gave the position back. He lost zero time driving off piste for over 8 seconds while the other 20+ cars negotiated 2 turns. He should never have been in a position to give those spaces back. Thats the main point of contention for me, others left the track like Hamilton and was penalised, he left the track on more than one occasion and got away scott free.

but the show must go on.

 

Big mouth russell mowed lawn in turn one as well.

 

Agree on that one....For 4 seconds and he had no justifiable reason either, leaving the track should have consequences. Its because they (all) get away with it week in week out that the problem has grown and people blame the rules. It's not the rules its the track design

 

actually I was wrong he stayed on track, It was antonelli that cut lawn

 

Got pushed off the track by Hamilton and rejoins with dirty tires and has ultra low grip which allowed Bearman to get passed. Not only lost time but lost position. That's getting away scott free?

Where is your rant about Charles not getting penalized? He is literally the only one that gained from cutting the track.

Its been discussed thoroughly already, Hamilton deserved his penalty for keeping a lasting advantage. Everyone else that went off track gave their positions back with the exception of Charles who wasn't going to be protested by his own team, especially as the faster driver.

It seems like it doesn't matter how many times or how many different ways it gets explained (with facts) there are some that are determined to believe Max should have been penalized since Hamilton got penalized.

 

The regular abuse of track limits is a real put off as far as I am concerned.
I don't know if there are many sports that allow their rules to be constantly flouted.
The FIA is absolutely spineles to tackle the issue.

 

My understanding (the explanation given by Sky) …perhaps incorrect….is that Hamilton’s penalty was not for leaving the track, but for the way in which he re-entered it, by cutting the access road instead of taking it. Is that right?

 

Isn't it the rules that mandate bloated car size?

 

Bring back gravel traps and all this bickering goes away.

If you guys think this was bad you should come to Miami and try shifter karts.

 

+1

 

It was my understanding that he was not given a penalty for failing to use the access road but because he gained a lasting advantage. Had it been for missing the access road I would have called that criminal since there was no possible way he was making that corner.

 

he's georgie's little brother

 

PaLMER'S analysis adamant Chuck deserved a penalty vs lewee, he didnt give a place back. and the in car of Max total opposite lock drifting across the grass confirms what we've all know for years: MAX=TITAN.

 

I agree with Palmer, Charles did deserve the penalty but Ferrari wasn't going to get on the horn to penalize themselves, especially since the faster driver was ahead and it would make no sense to compromise the entire team's race.

 

Well I dont want TonyL to be upset in anyway with anyone here. It was all mostly good fun.

 

Exactly ! It was a silly move. Verstappen tried it because there was an escape route, off limits of course. But it's messy and likely to bring a penalty.

 

2 drivers deliberately went off-limit; That's the problem.

 

Sky said he didn't follow the director's directions regarding the access road but the penalty was for gaining an advantage,
and F should have told him to slow down.

 

Plus he should know himself to give it back rather than risk it or at the very least slow down to make it look better.

IIRC Max was smart enough to lift slightly to exaggerate Lewis’s advantage when he rejoined to sell the penalty.