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Max and Lewis both went off at this point, Lewis guns it and gains an advantage, Max doesn't gain any time advantage. I'm sure if we get the sector times up Max actually lost.

Russell wasn't attacking Max in any way shape or form but yes he can certainly be aggrieved that he was held up.

No, you argue that Max should get a point and get a bunch of rules pulled up which are entirely irrelevant to the situation. Max doesn't have to back out, he had the option to miss the track and then give up the time/places he gained, exactly according to the rules. You're arguing track layouts or that different penalties should exist for missing the track, yet your argument seems to be that ''crashtappen'' is the big problem here. See what I mean with your original use of ''crashtappen'' not helping your point yet?

You keep being obsessed with Max not getting a penalty but the person that actually gained a significant and lasting advantage being Leclerc, you're quiet about.

Like I said in my original post, hate Max or anyone as much as you like but try to stay objective.

 

It's easily fixed like this
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Go off in T1 and you're forced to take the outside line. I drew 3 red lines those will be tyre stacks/boards to go around. Result is, time loss, position loss.

Simple solution for simple problem.

 

Now show 2021

 

I am not entirely convinced by your solution, TBH.
To go back on track after an "excursion" off limits, a driver should have to negociate a tight chicane (like Corner 1 at Monza), to really slow him down as a form of instant penalty.
This way, drivers wouldn't deliberately choose the solution to go off limits, nor put themselves in impossible position and make the ungenuine claim later that " they were pushed out".
Most off limits incident are not accidental, but calculated, because drivers hope to get away with them.

 

As they've been saying for years on my local broadcast: Just put gravel traps on every run-off area and watch how quick the issues resolve themselves

 

You just described Schumacher and Senna also. Just saying...

 

The barrier/tyre stack at the end of the run off takes care of exactly that, it's a similar solution to Monza.

 

I heard in a pub conversation someone saying:
"Boxers have to fight within the ropes. In tennis, like in football, the lines are sacred.
Why F1 allows racing off track limits ?"
The guy had a point ...

 

It gets explained with "opinions", zero facts from you unfortunately. There are several that should have been penalised but Verstappen was the main cause to most of it.

 

With Verstappen on the outside, my guess is he is thinking "oh crap"
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The tarmac area is the clue, cars should use it to stop safely or to turnaround, not a lauch pad to go rallying!!

 

Does that apply to you as well?

 

So this time GR was right

mm i was under the impression it was for not following the race directors instructions to use the escape road (ie the footpath between the two grass run off areas. The purpose was to slow down anyone who took this route. The penalty was fair bot not 10 seconds imho.

 

Are we talking about this years race by any chance? Verstappen & Hamilton never touched at that corner, Verstappen went it to deep, ran wide and compromised his entry into the next corner, he then forced the Mercedes off the track by running wide again and Bearman nutmegged him on the inside.

Fact = Watch the YT video at 2.12m

 

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Verstappen deserved heavy F1 penalty at Mexico GP as a "proper deterrent" – Brundle
Martin Brundle says Max Verstappen "made no effort whatsoever" to stay on track at the start in Mexico GP

 

(I'll include the immediate response to Brundles comment as well in this as it says the same thing:

Read. The. Rules.

The endless whinging of wanting to penalize Max is so pointless. You guys and Brundle are arguing for a penalty, which would go directly against the rules. Argue for a rule change instead rather than penalize someone that was directly following the rules.

I'm just as guilty as the next one to be prejudiced against drivers I dislike.

It's been explained by facts but your opinion wants a penalty. I don't see how Max going off at T1 is in any way shape or form responsible for Leclerc and Antonelli and whoever else going of as well.

 

Investigation into not following the instructions was canceled, in lieu of penalizing him for gaining an advantage.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/max-verstappen-deserved-harsh-f1-penalty-for-silly-driving-at-mexico-gp/10772479/

 

Not sure what you attempted to achieve there but it's literally his opinion to give Max a penalty, not a regulation.

 

omg stop already Brundle what an old punk. Max decided intentionally to drive on rumble strips for 75 ft unable to brake, risk crashing and then drive 8 seconds off track? Man get serious

 

It is not against the rules to simply go off track - fact
If you cut the track you must not gain a lasting advantage - fact
Max was side by side with Charles and Lewis but technically in 4th going into Turn 1 - fact
Max was squeezed to the left - fact
Max being squeezed onto the curb caused the car to bottom out - fact
There was low grip on the curb since that is not the typical racing line - fact
Max bottoming out and being on a dirty part of the track would make it exceedingly easy to lock a brake - fact
Max going off track could be a result of locking up the brake and missing the corner due to above reasons - fact
Max rejoined the track in the lead and allowed Lando, Charles and Lewis by to resume racing in 4th - fact
Max did not gain any advantage - fact
It is not required by the rules that a driver must lose time or positions or otherwise be penalized for an off track moment - fact
The length of time off track is irrelevant to the rules - fact

Charles Leclerc was squeezed by Lewis (including contact) and was forced to move left - fact
Charles moved left into Max's path, forcing Max to move left - fact
Charles was left room by Lewis on the exit of T1 - fact
Charles had a snap of oversteer which veered his car towards the grass - fact
Charles cut the track (on the grass) and rejoined ahead of Lando - fact
Charles slowed down and let Lando retake the lead but drove ahead of Max who let him by - fact
Charles stayed ahead of Lewis despite being behind at turn 1 - fact
Ferrari did not order Charles to swap positions or protest to the Stewards for investigation - fact
Charles was the faster Ferrari driver in the race - fact

Max dive bombed Lewis into turn 1 - fact
Max got his nose into the apex of Turn 1 ahead of Lewis which by the F1 racing rules means he is granted the corner - fact
Max is allowed to push his car to the exit based on the F1 racing rules which says it is now his corner - fact
Max kept his car on the apex of Turn 1 - fact
Lewis was pushed off track onto pavement so he lost little to no time as he was able to drive his car up the inside of Max into T2 - fact
Lewis missed the true apex of turn 2 as the racing line is to cut the curb as much as possible - fact
Lewis drove Max off the track where the exit is grass - fact
Max was forced to cut the track because Lewis drove him off the track - fact
Max rejoined the track ahead of Lewis - fact
Max was slower than Lewis while rejoining the track and had dirty tires. You can see dirt get brought back onto the track even. - fact
Lewis was already back on the rear wing of Max before T4 thus Max did not gain an advantage by going off track - fact
Max is not required by the rules to give up a position by going off track he is only required to not gain a lasting advantage, which he did not - fact
Lewis out braked himself with a big lock up and was forced to go off track - fact
For this race the order was a driver must use the escape road if he goes off on T4 - fact
Lewis was unable to make the escape road due to the speed he was going and the low grip - fact
Lewis was investigated for not using the escape road and was not given a penalty by failing to follow race orders - fact
Lewis cut the track over the grass and rejoined several seconds ahead of Max - fact
Lewis did not slow down to relinquish his advantage gained - fact
Ferrari did not tell Lewis he needed to slow down and relinquish his advantage gained - fact
Lewis was given a 10 second penalty for gaining a lasting advantage by cutting the track - fact
Max exiting T4 went slightly off track onto the pavement and compromised his entry to T5 - fact
Max was overtaken by Bearman and was in a direct fight with Russell and gained no advantage for his off track moment in T4 - fact
Max lost time and position due to his off track in T2 and off track in T4 - fact

@TonyL says Max and Charles purposely cut the track with intent - opinion

 

That article presents both pov's and the latter matches yours.

 

From a ex F1 race car driver his opinion far outweighs any of those on here. So unfortunately guys you lose this one - your boy sucked!

@SS454 - mate you need reexamine your list, its full of mistakes

Tony -

PS - All those leaving the track should of been penalized, the problem i had with MV was that he started the whole thing off on turn 1. He was the grenade and it continued throughout the race! Others went off but didnt repeat it