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  1. MalibuGuy

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    #26 MalibuGuy, Oct 26, 2025 at 1:12 PM
    The Purosangue is NOT an SUV. It’s a totally unique FUV!
     
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  2. MalibuGuy

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    #27 MalibuGuy, Oct 26, 2025 at 1:34 PM
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    What do we think about the current junior designer who seems to be the lead for the 12 C. Andrea Miletello was appeared as the face of the design team during a press video explaining the design of the coupe and spider.

    What surprised me was his choice of clothing. A designer naturally cares about aesthetic and detail.

    “I wanted chic and sexy. What we got was over weight and sloppy. Is it too much to ask for a thin well groomed female paratrooper?”

    (The Devil Loves Prada, film)
     
  3. MalibuGuy

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    #28 MalibuGuy, Oct 26, 2025 at 1:51 PM
    I wonder if the EU will impose a penalty tax on all ICE and ICE hybrids after 2035.
    This a great way for politicians to appear Right even when they are Wrong.

    Oh sorry I meant to say LEFT.
     
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  4. MalibuGuy

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    #29 MalibuGuy, Oct 26, 2025 at 2:58 PM
    Where are the Ferrari Electric gonna charge?
    I live in Malibu and this is a popular place for Tesla.

    There is a Tesla charging station located in an upscale shopping mall, right in front of a Blue Bottle coffee shop.

    And there is a Tesla dealership next door


    What is the charging station density in the EU?

    Is Ferrari going to use a conventional charge plug or will Ferrari decide to do their own bespoke plug which will only be connectable to a Ferrari connection? Is FErrari going to offer their own residential charging station for EU use?

    How much will Ferrari garage for this? Maybe 20 times what Tesla charges.

    When the Ferrari batteries die , how much is a replacement pack? 100K or 200K?
     
  5. EastMemphis

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    #30 EastMemphis, Oct 26, 2025 at 3:40 PM
    Are Ferrari batteries going to spontaneously combust, forcing their owners to keep them parked outside?
     
  6. MalibuGuy

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    #31 MalibuGuy, Oct 26, 2025 at 3:57 PM
    Tesla and other large EV producers are looking at Salt and Aluminum based alternatives

    Also looking at shorter range but faster charging time in a daily commute battery Pair that with a long range battery for special occasions . So you are not charging a long range pack for short range commutes. Most commutes are less than 20 miles in a day.

    If it takes 5 minutes to re charge that smaller battery then it’s a win

    Tesla strategy.
     
  7. Newjoint

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    #32 Newjoint, Oct 26, 2025 at 9:27 PM
    A few in Germany have seen the light, but it’s too late the ecoweenie climate hugging deindustrializers have already destroyed German’s ability to make cheap energy. They have lost their competitive edge and their smarter manufacturing base is leaving for “greener” pastures.
     
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    #33 jumpinjohn, Oct 26, 2025 at 9:44 PM
    I see what you did there. Very nice.
     
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  9. REALZEUS

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    #34 REALZEUS, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:52 PM
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    Tesla doesnt not develop battery chemistry. They buy battery cells from suppliers (i.e. Panasonic) and then package them according to their car designs.

    Ferrari doesn't develop battery chemistry either. Battery technology is not their business, they are not a battery cell maker. Their business is sports cars (ICE, hybrid and eventually a few BEVs). What matters is for them to package the available battery technology in the best way possible for the intended application. That is why they are not interested in Formula E either, which is Mickey Mouse racing and a spec formula at that (Ferrari always builds the power unit and the chassis in whichever series it races). Not to mention that Formula E batteries are manufactured by a third party also. Ferrari develops battery application know-how in F1 and the WEC. Ferrari dabbling with battery chemistry would be like them starting manufacturing their own petrol. There are specialist companies for that.
     
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  10. MalibuGuy

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    #35 MalibuGuy, Oct 28, 2025 at 6:42 AM

    Ferrari has no expertise in packaging batteries. They bought a few Tesla to study and copy. Sadly they are having to play catch -up. They are starting the electric race from the back of the pack with a ten second penalty to boot. The best EVs aren’t made in the EU even.
    It will be interesting to see if their product is any good. All of the minuscule production will be sold. They are not trying to sell any kind of volume and EU customers will be forced to buy Electric. What is the customer willing to spend for a Ferrari Electric designed by Manzino?
     
  11. REALZEUS

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    #36 REALZEUS, Oct 28, 2025 at 7:07 AM
    I am sorry but that is incorrect. Ferrari has plenty of know-how from its F1 and WEC involvement. The fact that you keep mentioning Tesla, baffles me. Keep in mind that EVs will be a small percentage of their portfolio.
     
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  12. MalibuGuy

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    #37 MalibuGuy, Oct 28, 2025 at 7:13 AM
    The other interesting factor will be if the electric Ferrari will end up competing against the Ferrari ICE /Hybrid in markets where customers have a choice. An Amalfi all electric will be faster than the ICE/Turbo and have more storage space to boot. ( Pun intended)

    An all electric 12 Cilindri would be faster and have space for 2 sets of clubs and luggage too. That would be an nice alternative to the V12 with the small boot.
     
  13. MalibuGuy

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    #38 MalibuGuy, Oct 28, 2025 at 8:57 PM
    Of course the name would require some adjustment

    Instead of being named V12 it would be a 12V meaning voltage!
     
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    #39 Solid State, Oct 28, 2025 at 10:46 PM
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    #40 TheMayor, Oct 29, 2025 at 12:01 AM
    Because no one gives a crap.
     
  16. Newjoint

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    #41 Newjoint, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:08 AM
    Another aluminium platform. The car will probably weigh 4500+ pounds, still scorch the quarter mile and drain the drivers of their cash reserves and any semblance of Italian soul.
     
  17. MalibuGuy

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    #42 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:20 AM
    Who are Ferrari going to sell the IcE hybrids to?
     
  18. MalibuGuy

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    #43 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:23 AM
    I get that you don’t give a crap about electric

    But Ferrari does plan to sell all electric and those buyers do give a crap!
     
  19. MalibuGuy

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    #44 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:26 AM
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    Tesla s new car does 0-60 in under 2 seconds and scortches the 1/4 mile too.Faster than any road legal Ferrari
    The new plaid has a top speed of 200mph

    This car seats 4-5 and has 4 doors

    Of course Ferrari still has better design style

    But the Tesla is the faster car in all metrics
     
  20. REALZEUS

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    #45 REALZEUS, Oct 30, 2025 at 10:58 AM
    You might want to check your facts.
     
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    #46 Newjoint, Oct 30, 2025 at 1:50 PM
    Unfortunately in today’s day and age, facts are what you say they are and even if proven wrong- deny, deny, deny- it’s a sad state of affairs.
    The reality is when you get to around 2 seconds 0-60 and mid to low 9s in the quarter mile a few tenths up or down is more likely to be affected by reaction time, weather(I guess climate change warming will help lower these numbers),surface conditions and tires.
     
  22. MalibuGuy

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    #47 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 2:17 PM
    The facts are the facts
    They aren’t my creation
    I guess you may not agree about the reality So yes you are right You are always right
     
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  23. MalibuGuy

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    #48 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 2:21 PM
     
  24. MalibuGuy

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    #49 MalibuGuy, Oct 30, 2025 at 2:28 PM
    It is clear that the All electric Ferrari will be designed for the new customer and not the old guys with fixed ideas.

    Given the special history and style of Ferrari , it will sell in small volumes to those who can afford it.

    the new price will not break with the current price of the ICE hybrid s either. It might cost more.

    The new electric will have more storage and that’s a nice bonus.

    What it will lack is the glorious sound of the ICE engine. But it may have some synthetic noises for the occupants

    IMO It may also feature some autonomous driving features. Self park and hands free driving on long highway journeys
     
  25. jumpinjohn

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    #50 jumpinjohn, Oct 30, 2025 at 8:02 PM
    I hope it has no more synthetic sound than the E mode in the 296. Apparently it is noticeable from the outside which I did not realize until my wife heard me trying to stealthily leave her dad’s house with her going to follow. She thought I had weird music turned up loud. :)

    Anyhow, I think electric is electric and should sound like an electric because that is what it is - not pretend it is a 1960’s V12. I really hope they don’t do that. Not that it really matters, but if you’re going to do electric, embrace electric. I might make an exception for the Jetson’s vehicle sound. :)
     
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