360 360 Spider roof stuck half way. Dead pump motor?

Hi All

Was changing the rear roof/window gasket and I think maybe hydraulic pump has died? Any advice on where to find a guide to getting stuck roof back up/down? Better at home than on the road I suppose. Silver linings.

Currently the roof icon is lit when I turn the car on. When pressing the roof button it just beeps at me. I have tried to turning the battery off for 10 minutes.

Roof operation has always been slow since my ownership. Sometimes it would get too tired half way and needs a break before working again.

I recently had all 7 cylinders rebuilt by Top Hydraulics and new lines put in by the roof shop. I can see the reservoir is full of fluid.

I can hear the relay going click when pressing the button but no buzz. I tried to scan the capote module with thinkdiag but it couldn't access the module - unsure if this means something.

All help very much appreciated.
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I bet your best choice will be to use the manual procedure (in the Manual) to close it fully

 

Have you checked the larger roof fuse behind the LH seat? Sounds like the smaller one is ok if you can hear the relay clicking.

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A faulty pump may be drawing too much current and blowing the fuse.

 

Thanks Fred. I ended up doing that. Lucky I had it mostly up so I didn't need to disconnect the motor for the little side flaps. I didn't have an "R8 tool" so I levered the engine bay cylinders with just normal screwdriver instead. The Ferrari tool most certainly wasn't up for the job (as per what they said in the video).

 

Hi Ian, great point. I haven't actually checked that. Will do so shortly.

 

Checked and test the fuses on multimeter they were all good.

On the AP200 it gave me persistent "E2" error which someone else had talked about but they never wrote back back.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/360-spider-e2-fault-code.618691/

The roof ECU is allowing the windows to be moved down so it's not blocking the operation per se and I suspect the roof must be in one of 19 "extra positions" as per that PDF you posted in another thread.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/360-spider-roof-help-qavion-are-you-out-there.690864/

The top latch is closed even the mircoswitches says so.

E.vv/a r LH hook open = FALSE
E.vv/a r RH hook open = FALSE



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Sorry, no idea.

Same. We couldn't figure out what the logic was for roof closed. I'm assuming the roof is up now.

Not sure why you're getting a flaps open and flaps closed in the same state unless the roof is in transit. Same for the cover. Maybe focus on these switches?

 

Roof is up yup. Tried to shim e.vv/z to make it drivable without the beeps alas no love. I think needs the cylidner to move to lock it?

Getting to the other 4 microswitches seems like a fair bit of work.

Might go down the pump motor route first. My motor was getting weaker and weaker over the last 2 years.

Doesn't seem to be an expensive part shared with e46 but will have to figure out how to pull apart.

https://ebay.us/m/YQOtOW

I called a local guy in syndey who's familar with the pump. If he can do it I'll probably send it off.
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Hi Ian, Just so make absolute sure whereabouts is the relay that controls the pump? And if I needed to try power the pump do you have a diagram by chance? Thanks in advance

 

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Roof pump and relay "27Q" is hidden behind the driver's seat (RHD)

Roof wiring is a little complicated...
Roof switch and fuses (see lower middle of diagram for switch)...

https://www.dropbox.com/t/i0tFSr9Hc6yfFCzP

Roof relay in this diagram:

https://www.dropbox.com/t/34ta4vs0YSZXpQTH

I assume you can jumper the relay (socket) 27Q to make the pump run. I doubt anything will happen as the Roof ECU won't be activating the solenoids, but you should be able to hear the pump run. Socket pins 2 & 8.