Scuderia Ferrari 2025

Porsche just had a $1.1 billion loss for the third quarter.

 

No point to single out Porsche: all the German carmakers are losing money at the moment thanks to narrow minded government policies forcing them to swallow the cost of transitions to EVs.
The price of energy has tripled since the termination of nuclear power added to the end of cheap Russian gas supply, increasing the cost of fabrication.
As a consequence of these factors, the German auto industry is bleeding heavily, with mass redundenciess, factory closures, and loss of market in the US and Asia.
France and Italy aren't doing much better. In the UK, our car sector is practically moribund.
I don't think the US car industry is particularly healthy; even some Japanes carmakers are at risk.
The winner is China.

 

I'm aware. I just showed it as a point of reference to John's post above that Porsche isn't as infallible as many believe compared to Ferrari.

IMO they are are on shaky ground right now with some troubled waters to navigate on the immediate horizon.

 

Take off your kartoffel tinted glasses, Porsche has been on the brink of bankrupcy a few times. They had to sell engineering services and even got military contracts from the government to stay afloat. The last time they finally got engulfed by Volkswagen.

Now everybody blames the EU politics but their plan was reckless: they killed all their cash cows at once without setting a plan B. It was the only European manufacturer that was so stupid. Ferrari got the message and already has delayed their second electric model.

 

Not that I agree with the valuation, but ALL of VW is worth 52billion USD. Ferrari is worth 72billion USD.

New Ferraris also come with a longer service/warranty than Porsche - 7 vs 4 years.

I think labelling Ferraris as simply pretty vs Porsche being "great" is a little overboard.

My buddy bought a new Porsche 911. He starts driving it and the floor is wet. So weird. He takes it in for service and they find that the drain for the evaporator was never installed...at the factory. I mean, that is pretty bananas. Sure just one case, but I've honestly never heard of something like that.

Porsches also have their own history of issues as well. None of these companies are perfect.

Although if you want something super reliable, one can always get a Toyota...who also has an insane racing history ; )

My daily drivers are BMWs, and they have become such crap that I may end up in a Toyota SUV....at least until I regain my sanity.

 

Ik read in the press no new contract for Hamilton after 2026

 

An aging driver that is not performing, that doesn't have any historic connection to the team, not getting his contract renewed when it expires, I do not constitute as a crazy thing to happen.

 

Whats mote worrying is rumours of sticking with this years suspension concept for the 26 car as this years rear suspensuon has been such a success.

 

Well, McLaren made it work, so the problem is not in the concept.

 

Gee I don't know, perhaps Kimi winning the WORLD ****ING CHAMPIONSHIP WITH FERRARI, maybe that counts as history with the team?!

One of the most incredibly braindead things I've read on this forum and given the last 8 or so years that's saying something.

Lewis hasn't even got a podium yet somehow you imply that the history Kimi and Lewis at Ferrari have is one and the same.

 

I think that Hamilton could be a last resort (desperate) solution for Mercedes. Their first option is Verstappen, and if that fails they´ll have to keep Russell. Hamilton would be needed if Antonelli didn´t deliver and they couldn´t find a suitable replacement. It´s easy to make the comparison with Raikkonen´s second stint at Ferrari.

 

Antonelli needs improvement, he won´t survive another season like this. Only as a docile team mate to Verstappen, in case they didn´t want to take the risk with a Verstappen-Russell pairing.

BTW, I suspect Piastri will be in the market soon too.

 

Mate, you're the one that dragged Kimi into the conversation, if you can't even get that fact right there is zero point continuing further with you. Enjoy your bad day.

 

+1 Yep

There has been virtually NO discussion of this. The driving style required seems counterintuitive to me. It will be interesting to see who(if any) of the current stars can adapt to these cars and prevail?

 

In fact, Kimi Antonelli isn't doing too bad for his 1st year in F1. He is still learning his trade.
So far, out of 20 GPs, he finished 11 times in the points and had one podium.
Mercedes took a risk promoting a young driver into their top team.
They must be playing the long game, I guess.

 

It's unfair to berate LH's first year a Ferrari, he just hasnt had the machinery to come up with the goods. Most likely past his prime and definately paid way to much but for me he brings some order to a chaotic team. Love him or hate him it has got better and his demands hold some value and authority. You can argue with someone who hasnt won a WDC, but a 7 times WDC is a different matter.

Should we be worried abobut the new radical engine for 2026.