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Horrible crash of a UPS plane

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  1. USMCS6

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    blancolirio



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  4. USMCS6

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    Way more than a normal engine fire. They made it to V1. Should have been straight forward.
     
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    Portside engine never left the runway:(
     
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    This must look terribly familiar to those who’ve been around aviation for a while.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191


    At O’Hare the engine departed due to failure of the fuse pins in the pylon. It damaged the left side slats and their hydraulics and caused them to retract. I wonder if the MD11 has a mechanical slat lock to prevent asymmetry. The DC10 did not. The recorders will tell us all eventually. Tragic.

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    This airplane was in flames before it hit the ground. Flight 191 was not.
     
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    blancolirio .... NTSB Brief UPDATE UPS #2976 5 Nov 2025



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    #16 BJK, Nov 6, 2025 at 11:30 AM
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    blancolirio .... UPDATE 2



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    Sounds like both UPS and Fedex have grounded their MD-11 fleets.
     
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    blancolirio .... UPDATE 3



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    I probably should not have watched videos of the crash. That was pretty horrific. This triple engine layout is a failure. The three engine layout was supposed to be an asset in the event one engine failed, yes? However, it seems like a liability as the #2 engine (tail) appears to have failed due to debris from engine #1 (left wing). And it now seems this remaining #3 engine (right wing) cannot create lift on its own like twin engine 777 or 767. I guess during cruise losing 1 engine is fine as the tail engine is high up from the others. But takeoff and landing the #1 and #3 wing engines are inline with or above the tail engine intake when angle of attack is high...if those have uncontained failure and ingestion into #2 engine it's over.
     
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    That''s sort of an over-simplification, and I'm not sure that has been borne out from the data. The issue here is that if the engine disconnects from the pylon (or in technical terms, "falls off") right at rotation, that is really bad news. Of course, that only accounts for about 5 seconds of the typical flight, which is why it is very rare.

     
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