Working out -Steroid like results??

I know Arnold wasn't the best around, but what I was trying to say is that that would be world class lift, 525, I'm big and I bench 250.

 

try this link:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

Had a friend in mid 70's who was not a body builder but just worked out heavy. His light warmup was with a 150lb dumbell in each hand...300lb total, no 'juice' ...

 

I have been working out a long time and I have found that there are not many supplements out there that do anything. I try and get 1gm of protien per pound of bodyweight. That really helps.

I am not a huge fan of creatine, but I still take it from time to time. I also take Glutamine, but I have never noticed any results from it.

I have taken Mag10 and I put on about 10 lbs in a month, but I think that was more from the amount of food they want you to eat on the program. Also, that 10 lbs was more like 5 muscle, 5 fat.. After I was off of it, I ended up about +3 lbs.

I am now trying Andro 1-AD and it seems to be great. I have put on 4 lean pounds of muscle and my strength is up.

I have not ever tried anything illegal as I don't see the point in potentially harming yourself if you are not doing it for a living...

 

Are you happy doing 2 hours of light-weight lifting each day, whil eating less than 500 calories/day? Four months of that and you'll look like that picture.

There are VERY few guys that have a body like that naturally. About 95% of the male population would only look like that after the type of program I mentioned above.

As for protein, if you are taking more than 15g/serving, you are wasting protein. Even for the most refined proteins, the human body can only break down and process 6 - 15g at a time. If you intake 20g, you'll piss out 5-14g an hour later.

The key is to eat 10g of protein 10 times a day. Your body will process all of the protein you eat, and as long as you are doing serious building lifts (bench, squats, lat exercises), you'll notice a big difference.

I did that for one summer - ate 10 servings of protein 10 times a day and did about 2 hours of serious lifting 5 times/week. I picked up 22lbs in 8 weeks, and lost maybe 2% of my body fat.

 

QUOTE:"my best bench is 525 at 180#, age 49"

I call BS. That would be a world record lift, especially for that age group, would be for any age group. Did you wear a bench suit, was it a strict lift? That is nearly 3x body weight, which is nearly impossible to get. If you were about 5' tall and have a 52" chest it might be possible because you would only have to move your arms a very short distance. What are some of your other lifts?

 

Nibblesworth is right. You really wouldnt want to look like that. That guy must be on a low carb diet, which if you are physcialy active, will be tough on you. Thats why you'l never see a pro athlete on a low carb diet, at least not while in season. You can get lean like that from excerising alot though. Also, it depends on physiology. I eat a full plate of pasta 2x a day and take in at least 3,000 calories a day and ive been at ~9% body fat for a long time (although i have put on 10 lbs in the past 2 yrs) Thats what rowing for 8 months out of the year will do, and i only lift for maybe 5-6 months out of the year (its hard to have energy/time for 2 -2.5hours of practice and then classes a day).
Also, nibbles, how did you do 2 hours of lifting a day? jeez, how much time did you take between sets? 2 hours a day on a single muscle group sounds like alot.

 

That is hard to beleive, but could be true. Pros who weigh like 225 can bench in the 600's.

 

No the little extra whey will not make you fat or tax your kidneys. It is when guys take those mega protein powder shakes that it has that effect I referred to earlier. There is no better protein than pure animal protein though. Raw fish(sushi) is the best. the protien is complete and has not been denatured by heating it. Those mega protein shakes are a joke. Most of the advice given in Magazines is a joke. They are written by people with just enough knowledge about human biochemistry to get them in trouble. Like saying if I build muscle with protein, eating lots of protein will build lots of muscle. Wrong. Good luck.

 

i think your workout is too much, at 5-6 times a week where do you rest? what is your training program? for gains in size you need to hit the muscle group hard only once a week allowing for rest, if you train to frequintly then your only tearing down and not allowing your body to build upon the last workout.
after yrs of figuring out what works for me, which by the way what works for me won't allways work for someone else, when i'm going for size i'll go with a split of every other day and group opposing muscles but only two at a time. it'll be heavy heavy weight and small reps/sets, if i can put out 5-6 reps by set 3 then its to light, i aim for 5 sets at 5,5,3,3,1-2 for reps. and for my maintanance months it'll be lighter wight and higher rep/sets. cardio is a on my non-lifting days at 1 1/2hrs.

my current bench, which really is an indicator of shoulder streangth is 320lb i have done a one time of 400lb and that really stressed my elbows so i stay under 350lb for now. dumbell curls are 50-75lb and barbell of 150lb. skull crushers i use a 135lb cheater bar and go heavier with the cables, not looking to fatigue and restructure my face i should be squating heavier and am working towards increasing that but for now i'm at 225lb. since your calves can lift alot more then you relize i go for lighter wieght on that one and very high reps, around 50reps w/5 sets, a heavy bar sitting on my back is only asking for trouble.
i do lots of shoulder exercise too since it helps with the back/chest workouts. i have never used a belt or straps. i have to be carefull with my back routines though since i have an extra disk fused to S1, it's genetic.
i do have the benefit of good genes, this really helps. i may not look big and muscular but i have good strength, i have tried to get big in the past but it really doesn't work, this is relative ovcourse to most i'm huge but thats only becouse i'm 6'5" and 230lbs. 2yrs ago i was at an alltime high of 310lbs with a 44" waist, off season got outa control-carbs- being hypoglycemic i have to watch my sugars and carbs or i'll expand faster then the national debt.

the only suplement that works for me is pre/post protien. i still take daily vitamins which have helped for my general health. but i'd have to say the best way to get good results is to change your routine every 6-8 weeks and don't over train and most important is REST. it goes without saying diet is part of this as well.

well this has turned ito a very long post so my appologies to those who prefer the cliff notes version.

 

I've been taking creatine with no noticable effects. My diet hasn't been great though. Being broke and trying to cut carbs is bloody near impossible as everything cheap and/or fast to prepare is carbs.

I just wanted to say that the Men's Health (or Fitness, either) models are the male equivalent of the female runway supermodels... pretty unattainable for most men. I've read interviews -they exercise 4-6 hours a day - well, it's their job just to look good. Ditto for the model pictured.

As a side note, I'm glad that ephedra was finally taken off the market... I took a full dose of ephedra-loaded Ripped Fuel for a little over three weeks back in 00. Most insane workouts I'd ever done - you don't want to stop lifting. But, my blood pressure was 171/126, my eyes were constantly dialated, and I had ZERO emotional control. I lost it over anything. And would start to cry spontaneously. It was wierd. I was like a guest in my own head. I quit and had full drug withdrawls for a week, including pains and rollercoaster emotions. My roommate was freaked out.

Later that year, I had to take prednisone for a severe allergy. 20 days dosage = gained 55 lbs of subcutaneous fat over the next 90 days, 8lbs a week for a while. Topped out at 282lbs. I've gotten down to the 240's twice since then, but am struggling at 270-ish right now. Goal is back to 200. It's a long road.

 

Men's Health had an interview/article a while back about one of their most popular cover models. The guy basically admitted he was a walking sports injury. He also said that like body building, the body you see pictures of is quite a bit different than the reality he looks at in the mirror. It was an interesting read.

I've tried several supplements and none really work for me. I stick to things I enjoy like weight lifting, running, tennis, raquetball and golf. I've found that if I watch what I eat(easy to say..cruelly hard to do ) and stay active I stay in pretty good shape. Not cover model shape, but good shape. I'm not one of the beautiful people so I don't really worry about looking like a fitness model in any sense.

 

Same, I just want a 36" waist again so I can shop with the regular people and not be utterly embarrassed when even McClothes places like Gap or Banana Republic don't have anything my size. That and to both fit in sportscars better and avoid the hypertension that runs in my father's family.

POST 1000! Now I can be believed!

 

In regards to protein supplements, i only have a shake (made w/water) after i lift if i do not plan on eating a meal (like if i lift after 8pm). It wouldnt be better for me to skip the shake, right? I read alot in this thread about how suplements arent helpful, but i think if im not going to eat a meal then having 25g of protein couldnt hurt, right?
I dont take any other supplements because i believe the effect is mostly mental. I think companies just like to make a ton of money here (look what some of the stuff you can buy costs!).

 

The top picture, with the tires, is entitled "Fred in New York" or "Fred with Tires" something with Fred. A tad homoerotic. I used to look like that, minus 20 lbs of muscle, during the 3 month period of my life that I worked out. Underneath the fat I now carry, a Frank Zane like physique hides somewhere. It was so easy back then, 20 years old, all the time in the world for activity and no stinking desk job. All I did back then was to eat TONS of calories, carbs and protein and play around on the beach all day. Good times. I did some shakes of some Twinlab product called Gainers Fuel 2000 or something like that. Plus tons of pasta and hamburgers, minus the mayo.

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Where are all these guys hiding who can bench phenomenal amounts? I have been lifting for 25 years on and off and just a short period of that for power. In those years i have worked out at many gyms including world and golds in Venice and only paused a few times to watch in awe at someone really impressive bench or squat. Of those who impressed me strengthwise MOST were on the juice, which unimpressed me. To get ridiculously big and strong requires heavy steroid use for 99 out of 100 people PERIOD. To me that is phony. Save the money and go buy a hulk suit at the costume store. As far as wacky drug like supplements you will be putting a strain on your system. As someone else mentioned too much protein will also strain your internals. Lift hard and take enough time in between to heal and be happy with the result. My best years ago was 11 reps at 330 and max of 400. Using those weights it was easy to get injured for me.
I wonder if Chaa has ever met gary taylor?
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lol, dude that wasnt the ephedra!!

 

i'm not sure that has ever been done as an official lift. if so, there are only a handful of people in the entire world could do that.

 

Yeah, very few can. I was looking at the records online and some of them are unbeleievable. The ones who can are probably on steroids. Howver, i bet mariusz pudzianowski (worlds strongest man winner for a few yrs in a row, its lawyas replayed on espn2) can probably put up close tothat)

 

Bench is my favorite exercise and at 5'8 182# 12-14% BF I can press 360 once.

There are no legal supplements that will significantly work.Its nothing but snake oils.People are constantly looking for a pill to lose weight or a pill to gain weight.Nothing short of hard work and mental preparedness will get you to your health goals.Even guys on steroids cannot gain weight without eating and training correctly.At a minimum you should be eating 2g of protien per pound of weight and .5 carb per pound to gain muscle and get in shape.You should always consume carbs immediately AFTER your workout to keep your body from eating itself.Try that and see for yoourself.

Joe

 

I look back on that summer (I guess it was two years ago) and wonder what the hell happened to me!

Anyways, I was taking summer courses, which included the required 1 unit of PE. I opted to go for body building, only because I had lifted in the past, and I had just finished doing a serious running regimen. In March 2002, I ran the LA marathon, the training for which absorbed about 15 hours of running each week. After the marathon, my pal and I continued to run, but not as religiously. I lost a ton of weight (I was down to 190, which is light and fairly slim for me), and ready to do away with the sliver like body of a long-distance runner. As I was used to religious exercising, going from 10 hours of running to 10 hours of lifting wasn't hard. The teacher for the PE class was the school's track coach, and I told him what my goal was - to hit 230 by the end of the summer. He told me all about the protein and what not, and since I was already at school five days a week, I figured I'd just go for it.

As for the training, I had a schedule somewhat like this:

Monday: Chest, Back, Arms
Tuesday: Legs
Wednesday: Rest
Thursday: Chest, Back, Arms
Friday: Legs
Saturday: Rest
Sun: Cardio


After 8 weeks, I had bulked up a LOT, but I began to feel a very odd pinching pain right in the middle of my chest whenever I'd finish with the bench - very odd feeling. I Decided to take a break in order to rest whatever it was I was injuring, and the break turned into something like 4 months, during which I lost nearly everything I'd put on. Ah well...such is life.

 

Well, there's no real authority on the subjet. Some say give your muscle group no less than 48 hours of rest, some say 36 hours, others say more.

In all reality, it depends on the person doing the workout. Honestly, I've heard 100 different opinions from 100 different body builders.

One thing for certain, though, is to rest for at least 48 hours between workouts.