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Is Your Dyno Lying?

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  1. Wickeddeus

    Wickeddeus Karting

    Nov 12, 2003
    64
    From CarandDriver.com

    Tech Stuff: Is Your Dyno Lying?

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    Measuring your horsepower depends on whose yardstick you use.
    BY AARON ROBINSON
    PHOTOGRAPHY BY DAVID DEWHURST
    May 2004

    Horsepower is like good luck. It can't be seen, touched, or tasted, but you know when the inventory is low. How much do you have? Go measure it. The best place to put your luck to the yardstick is in Las Vegas. The best place to measure your horsepower is on a dynamometer. In both cases, results have been known to vary.

    Turns out that different horsepower dynamometers will spit out different results on the same car depending on their design and how carefully the tester manages the variables. When ambient air temperature and pressure were all that yesterday's carburetors cared about, factoring in the variables was easy. But modern cars are gradually becoming too smart for what was once a simple test. Engines trying to squeeze out more horsepower are run by watchful computers with better sensors that are able to differentiate between speeding down a freeway with a cooling headwind and spinning the dyno drums in a stuffy room. The technology of today's cars needs to be factored into your readings along with variations from dyno type to dyno type, or your horsepower numbers may be hazy, too.

    Recall that horsepower is a unit measuring the rate at which an engine performs work. By current industry standards, one horsepower equals 550 pounds lifted at the rate of one foot every second. Automakers figure a car's oomph by hitching the engine to a machine that puts a controlled load generated by an electric or hydraulic brake on the flywheel. They plumb the intake and coolant to external fixtures that simulate on-road airflow and then run the engine from idle to redline. The engine dyno measures torque at the crankshaft using a variety of means and then uses a math formula—torque times rpm divided by 5252 (a sort of gearhead's constant, derived by dividing . . . oh, never mind). Horsepower comes after the equal sign. Thousands of hours of testing produce a peak horsepower number that prints in the dealer's brochure.

    For the rest of us, rather than unbolt the engine and rent a multimillion-dollar dyno room, it's much easier to simply drive the whole car onto a chassis dyno that measures horsepower where the tires meet the tarmac. Throughout the U.S. are shops with such machines, some even capable of handling four-wheel-drive cars. Ordinary citizens pay anywhere from $35 to $100 to run the car up to redline three or four times, the tires turning rollers monitored by the dyno's computer. Eventually, the computer spits out a horsepower graph that you can take to your next bar-stool drag race.

    But before you pop the clutch on your tongue, consider that a chassis dyno doesn't measure horsepower at the flywheel but at the tires after various driveline losses have subtracted their drag. Friction from rubbing gear faces, inertia from heavy shafts, and the stirring of oatmeal-like gear lube all reduce the advertised horsepower reaching the tires and, hence, the dyno.

    "There's no really accurate way to get engine horsepower from a chassis dyno," says Matt Harwood, marketing coordinator for Mustang Dynamometer, a major supplier of chassis dynos in Twinsburg, Ohio. Some tuners use the so-called 15/20 rule, which assumes a 15-percent driveline loss for manual transmissions and 20 percent for automatics. But, says Harwood, "I've seen losses as high as 35 percent." So unless it's printed in the brochure or was measured on a true engine dyno or by a tuner with tons of experience with your particular brand of car, any flywheel horsepower number quoted by a hot rodder under the shade tree is most likely just a calculated guess.

    More important, did your car run on the dyno as it would on the street? If it's the latest model, chances are good it may not have, says BMW tuning wizard Steve Dinan. An afternoon spent at his Bavarian speed emporium in Morgan Hill, California, convinced us that cars are gradually becoming too computerized for the simple dyno test.

    Dinan's cars are wired with a battery of sensors that report when the airflow over the bumper is too little, when the inlet air is too hot, and when the water temperatures in the block and radiator are too close together (most turbocharged and supercharged cars also "know" when their intercoolers aren't cooling enough). The computer reacts by backing off the spark and turning up the richness—and as a result, turning down the power—to prevent catastrophic engine meltdowns.

    To prove his point, Dinan bolts to his Dynopack one of his 2003 Dinan M5s, heavily tweaked to make a claimed 470 horsepower at the crank (he expects about 415 at the wheels). With the hood closed and no external fan blowing air into the radiator, the car wheezes out just 334 horsepower at the wheels. An LCD data logger on the dashboard reveals the air-fuel ratio from the engine computer. Approaching redline, the BMW's computer richens the mixture all the way to 9.5:1 as the underhood temperatures soar.

    That's one thick mix, practically charcoal briquettes blowing out of the tailpipe. But then, with the M5 running in fifth gear (the 1:1 gear ratio with the least friction, preferred by dyno testers), the computer expects 159 mph worth of cooling wind blast around the horsepower peak. It's getting nothing, and it knows.

    Now Dinan opens the hood and turns on a small Home Depot shop fan blowing about 10 mph worth of air. The M5 is allowed to shed some excess heat and then run again. This time the computer finds another 37 horsepower, or 371. Things are looking up, but the M5's output is still nowhere near Dinan's expected number of 415.

    "I can't claim something I can't measure," says Dinan, so the crew then wheels out the big gun: a $7000 electric fan that looks like it should be hanging on the wing of a Boeing 737. It blasts 38,000 cubic feet per minute of air at 75 mph down a narrow duct, right into the M5's radiator. The fan roars, the M5 howls, the computer twinkles, and the graph paper ticka-ticks out of the printer. It says 411.4 horsepower, the best run of the day.

    "I'd pick up four or five more horsepower if I came back tomorrow morning and ran it at 70-degree room temperature," says Dinan. The room is currently 81 degrees.

    "Basically, what horsepower would you like? I can give you anything from 330 to 420 with the same car," Dinan says. "Blowing air with a fan isn't the same as creating a bow-pressure effect over the whole front of the car. BMW can simulate that because it has billions to spend on wind tunnels. We don't, but we can come close by spending $250,000 to $300,000 on a climate-controlled room."

    That's Dinan's next step. It's a huge expense for a boutique parts-maker, but BMWs aren't getting any stupider. The trend says the cars rolling into a tuner's shop will have more and smarter sensors with each passing model year. BMW may be at the leading edge of electronic engine controls right now, but the rest of the industry is sure to follow.

    When it does, the "brag-ability" of dyno numbers will get even more dubious as dyno printouts become merely a reflection of what a particular car does on a particular dyno under a particular set of conditions. What happens on the street could be another matter altogether. As in Vegas, sure bets are in short supply when you measure horsepower.
     
  2. Jordan Ross

    Jordan Ross Formula Junior

    Nov 4, 2003
    601
    Austin
    Yeah, that was a nice article.

    How much does a nice, high-flow cooling ower go for these days?
     
  3. ultgar

    ultgar Karting

    Nov 21, 2003
    126
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Steve D'Gerolamo
    If you're just looking for a number, there's a lot of games you can play and the number you get will vary from one dyno to the next. If you're using the dynamometer as a tuning tool, all you care about is whether the numbers (hp & torque) went up or down and perhaps any shifts in the data ranges. The key to correct assessment is consistency from one run to the next. For roller dyno's, strap tension and tire pressures must be the same. For all dynos, room pressure, temperature, humidity, and fan air speeds/cfm must be constant. Even dyno equipment temperatures (temps of load cells), line voltages (need a clean & steady sine wave to the control units) and electro-magnetic radiation (think about using low HD ballasts with fluorescent lighting & electronic or taroidal transformers with low voltage lighting).

    A good dyno operator needs to be a bit of an engineer/mechanic and a bit obsessive-compulsive (like a lot of audiophiles I know) to get the best out of his equipment. SD
     
  4. bcmarly

    bcmarly Karting

    Mar 6, 2004
    61
    Excellent post! In addition you can have identical cars each producing slightly different amounts of HP. Not every high performance car (especially those produced in small volumes; ie: M cars, Ferraris, Lambos, etc...) coming from the factory meets the claimed horsepower figure. There can be a variance of as much as 10-20 hp.
     
  5. Viper 10

    Viper 10 Formula Junior

    Nov 16, 2003
    618
    Manhattan Beach, CA
    Full Name:
    Brad Chang
    This was a very good article. There was another article (that I have not read yet) in Hot Rod magazine that compared different dyno's in their May issue.

    I understand that it was very enlightening.

    Brad
     
  6. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    Wow...great read...thanks for posting.
     
  7. Wickeddeus

    Wickeddeus Karting

    Nov 12, 2003
    64
    Yeah, it is a good read and may prove that the 360CS was not under power after all.
     
  8. Senappi

    Senappi Rookie

    Apr 19, 2004
    45
    Stockholm.se
    I've heard good things about these guys and their products:
    http://www.rototest.com/

    I my opinion, the power measured on the wheel, instead of on the flywheel, is the relevant figure, it's that power that get's your car moving. Practical, real world power.

    It's late and I'm tired, but I hope I make some sense anyway...
     

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