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  1. fpb

    fpb Karting

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    I just noticed that both wheels on the right side of the car are really hot (2 drives today, happened both times).

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. TestShoot

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    stop driving half on the curb???

    is it rubber, rotors, and what are the areas you were driving in??? ie road conditions.

    if it were bearings, you would here scraping and squealing, and it is inlikely that two wheels would go at the same time. alignment??? fat passenger on that side??? moving lumber in your dino???
     
  3. fpb

    fpb Karting

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    lol :)

    The aluminum wheel itself is hot. I'm taking the wheels off tomorrrow to look.

    No noise from the wheels and DEFINITELY NO fat passenger :)
    Alignment is definitely possible...
    Road conditions: city and highway driving (15 miles on first drive, 7 miles second drive). I was driving like a granny...possible the car doesn't like that? haha
     
  4. stalwart

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    Stuck caliper time . . . since it's an "F" car it's most likely time to rebuild the calipers. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news but on most vehicles, EXCEPT those with inboard brakes, the wheel helps dissipate the excessive brake heat.

    Stuart
     
  5. TestShoot

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    this is true, the campagnolo wheels on my pantera where magnesium and designed as 'rolling heat sinks' with rubber. my thought was going to be stuck caliper, proportioning valve.
     
  6. henryk

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    I would agree with stuck pistons in the calipers. I don't think it is the proportioning valve, because, it regulates pressures front and back, not side to side.
     
  7. TestShoot

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    this is an italian car, they coulda put in in sideways 'hey luigi, this look ok to you?'
     
  8. chrismorse

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    Are the right side wheels in the sun???
    Are you cornering so hard in a tight left had circle that the car's weight is being born by the right hand set of wheels???
    Demonic possesion comes to mind.
    Or maybe the PO had the right side calipers and or wheel bearings submerged in water and things have kind of corroded to the point where stuff s going to He**.

    On a more serious note, does the car pull to the right - badly??
    (we are excluding tire pressure or totally scre*ed alignment here).
    When you jack up the car is anything lose on the right side - maybe something is loose on the left side - sorry, had a fajita for dinner and my brain is a bit loose.
    If I recall correctly, the hydraulics are divided front /rear not side to side and calipers don't stick in pairs usually, certainly not with f/r divided hydraulics.
    Let's hear more details??

    chris
     
  9. PSk

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    I assume you have compared to the left side?

    If there was a stuck caliper you would have known by driving the car as it definitely would have pulled to one side. Heat in this case is generated by friction ... which slows the wheel.

    I would jack the wheels off the ground and spin them by hand and make sure all rotate easily. Check the calipers, etc. and if nothing wrong forget about it.

    Pete
     
  10. DGS

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    If a floating caliper isn't really floating anymore, you'll notice a pull under braking, but that might be masked by an alignment issue.

    Alignment problems will heat up the tires which will eventually heat the rims. You should also see indications in the tread wear, unless this is a recent issue. (Hit any curbs, lately? Had any work done recently?)

    In the silly causes department; you might want to R&R the wheels, just to make sure they weren't put on crooked -- which would be hard to do, but if the wheels wobble as they turn, that would be bad. You've checked that the lug nuts are tight?
     
  11. paulie_b

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    I would guess the calipers also.
     
  12. Smiles

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    Why would both the front and rear calipers be stuck at the same time, generating the same amount of heat, and only on one side, not front-to-rear?

    I'm skeptical about the stuck caliper answer.

    I'll be really curious to see what fpb finds.

    --Matt
     
  13. fpb

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    The car does not pull at all...there is basically no vibration either. From my touch test the back right wheel was the hottest followed by the front right. Both wheels on the left side were relatively cool.

    "Are you cornering so hard in a tight left had circle that the car's weight is being born by the right hand set of wheels???"
    I thought about this...but it seems like a longshot :(

    I hope it's not the caliper(s), that is an expensive job :(

    TestShootCom: interesting theory ;)

    The car is being looked at as I type...I am curious what the heck is causing this.

    Thanks for the replies...I will post what we find.
     
  14. TestShoot

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    friction=heat
    enough friction=pulls to one side
    sticky caliper = friction = potential for pull

    1 sticky caliper (does not)= two hot wheels

    check tire pressures? bad rubber? (it happens)

    chance of two sticky calipers on one side of the car all of the sudden enough to cause heat but no pull, 1,000,000:1

    front wheel drive car with exhaust going down the right side could be venting enough to cause some heat, not the whole side of the car would get hotter. this happened on a friend's vette, but not specifically to the tires.

    really, take it to a mechanic...
     
  15. henryk

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    I had a "sticky" piston in the front caliper of my TR. I found it during a general inspection of the brake pads. The car did not pull at all, since the it wasn't that hard. However, I was not able to push the piston back.......the other 3 where OK.......but, I still had the caliper rebuilt, with SS pistons.

    Considering the fact that there are 4 pistons per wheel, it only takes one to add enough friction to heat up the wheel. So there is a one chance in 4 of this happening to any wheel........probably just a coincidence that it happened on the same side.

    Just my opinion!
     
  16. PSk

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    You though have no idea or not whther your wheels were hot or not ... as you did not check.

    IMO if the pistons are stuck enough to create enough heat to heat the wheel then there would have to be considerable friction (remember a brake disc is designed to shread heat) thus I would imagine some sort of pulling.

    I remember years ago getting a flat tyre and the wheel was SOOOOO hot I had trouble getting it off!!!! ... lets just say that tyre was fncked!

    The other thing we have not discussed is wheel bearings ... could they be so bad that the increased rolling friction is causing heat ... probably not.

    Anyway just do a full corner check on all 4 corners ... and don't presume anything! ;)

    Pete
     
  17. TestShoot

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    this is like doing a prostate exam over the phone.
     
  18. Smiles

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    Good one! (How much is that per minute?)

    I'm really curious to see what the cause is...
     
  19. ferrarifixer

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    I used to get smart with people...and say "hold the phone a bit closer to the problem, and I'll have a closer look"......

    now it's possible with camera phones! Shut me up for a while, which is no mean feat!
     
  20. Dr_ferrari

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    Maybe too low tire pressure? the wheel bearing sounds like a good possibility as I could see one side being damaged (potholes and such)
    Ducting for brake cooling? Rotor condition?

    I think the calipers sticking would cause a pull as others have said and also quite a pronounced brake overheat smell.

    Could it be that the hot side is normal and the other side is just too cool?

    Have the rotors been replaced? some are directional and if incorrect one is installed It can cause overheat.

    Check the bearings and rotor condition/type IMO.

    Best regards, Jim
     
  21. stalwart

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    SOMETIMES stuck calipers cause the vehicle to pull but not ALWAYS. Even slightly draging brakes can cause significant heat and don't allow for sufficient heat dissapation. I won't get into an arguement over this as I really don't care who believes me or not; it has just been the most common cause in my experience, especially in vehicles that aren't driven too frequently.

    Stuart
     
  22. Dr_ferrari

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    Very true, that is possible. But I believe you would still smell the pads.

    best regards, Jim
     
  23. fpb

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    Well I took the car to a mechanic. He couldn't find anything wrong with the car. Normally I would be suspicious of this diagnosis but this guy knows more about cars than Beethoven did about the piano. There was no evidence of any brake/tire/wheel/suspension problems. He said he has never seen anything like it before (without a problem present). I suspect that these cars have a low threshold for differing tire pressures/lugnut torque/etc so the car was unhappy with it. I am not a mechanic but that is my best guess. I do tend to drive the car hard so the little things could make a difference. I also live in Michigan so there is always a chance that I have hit more potholes with the right side of the car throwing the suspension slightly out of tune on that side ;)

    I'm going to keep a closer eye on the car though. BTW: I didn't smell anything from the brakes (don't know if I mentioned that before) nor did my mechanic see any signs of excess brake wear on the right side.

    "Could it be that the hot side is normal and the other side is just too cool?" This is definitely possible...like I said I do drive pretty hard.

    "Originally Posted by TestShootCom
    this is like doing a prostate exam over the phone."

    Man, that is a disgusting analogy!!! lol

    I really appreciate everyones posts, it gives me a good idea of things to watch for. Thank you all for your help!
     
  24. TestShoot

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    Wasn't Beethoven DEAF???
     
  25. Smiles

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    So... Did the mechanic agree on the symptoms; did he think that the wheels on the right hand side were indeed running hot?
     

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