Looking to replace stock 360 brakes

Club Fiorano, UK Track Club run by Ferrari/Maranello, run a number of 360's on the track. I've been to several days and each car is driven all day by a number of differetn drivers on different tracks and I've never seen a car suffer badly from brake fade and the car's relaibility has been great.

Perhaps you could drop Fiorano a line and ask if they do anything special with the brakes.

 

Weng is experiencing far higher ambient temps in Singapore than the UK guys will ever see.

Basic upgrades for the braking system should include better brake fluid, lines, pads and temperature management.

ATE Super Blue (and the amber version too), Motul 600, and of course Castrol SRF are good fluids. I use ATE and Motul- the price advantage outweighs the advantage of SRF, especially if you maintain your brakes on a regular basis.

Pagid Orange... if you are having problems with the Orange go to the Black 14 compound. I use that on a 3500lb car w/660whp and braking is not an issue.

More brake ducting. I think that really isn't your problem- I think a soft pedal is usually a fluid issue. If you use the right fluid and right pad the OEM ducting should be enough, but I don't have a 360 (355 owner) so I don't really have a point of reference to go by.

If, after all that, you still have braking issues, go to the Challenge spec brake system w/ wheels etc. It's a known system that has been sorted out by the teams so if you still have brake issues with that system there should be known fixes too. I wouldn't bother with a street based aftermarket kit if you're having problems with a hopped up OEM street system (after doing all the suggestions I made above).

Hope that helps...

 

The biggest problem with the stock brake system is the fluid. If you were going to change just one component, you would have been wise to flush the fluid and replace with a higher boiling point fluid. The stock pads would probably last one or two track days, then you should go to DS2500 or something like it. The Pagid Orange may be a bit too extreme for the street, although you could change them for each event. The DS2500 is a good street/track compromise pad. Were you running street or race tires? Race tires definitely put more stress on the brake system with their superior traction. Most 360 owners find with street tires they can run Ate Super Blue or equivalent fluid, and DS2500 pads, and do fine. If you run race tires on a brake-intensive track, you may have to upgrade the brakes. A friend of mine just fitted F50 brakes to his 360, but it's not cheap.

Sorry you had such a miserable time. I haven't heard of alternator problems on any of the local cars that see the track quite often.

Gary

 

Did quite a bit of work here last year at 100F (it was a good summer) still no fade but take your point

 

Let me reinforce the prior with some concrete evidence.

I brake hard... hard enough that I evaporated the stock pads on my Modena.
I put on race pads for the next track day... boiled the fluid.
I replaced the fluid with Castrol SRF... no more problems with the brakes.

 

Just 2 weekends ago I experienced the same issues in my 360 with the fluid...it was boiling after just a few laps on Saturday. I had already changed over to better pads (Porterfield R4) and had what I thought was decent fluid put in (ATE Type 200). Dave Helms was fortunately at the event and provided me with some much better fluid (can't recall the name) and I bled the system Saturday night. The result was that on Sunday I drove harder (after finally building up confidence in the brakes again) and never even felt the slightest bit of fade, even running back to back to back sessions. There are definitely options to gain MORE braking if you want that, but to get the car to the point where you can enjoy it on the track with confidence in your brakes, the fluid and pads are all you need.

Andy

 

I'm surprised the Ate 200 wasn't good enough, I thought it would have done the job.

Gary

 

I have found the opposite to be true. R compound tires are stickier and allow more efficient braking (at least for me), and less engagement of ABS. I now use ATE blue and DS2500 and have had no brake problems since. The stock set up lasted about 30 minutes for me. Things got so hot the wheel center melted.

 

maranelloman,

Have you tried other pads like the Pagid RS19 Yellow? Are they suitable for daily and track use?

The orange pagids and stock pads are the only ones recommended by Ferrari but not the yellow ones.

 

Weng,
I experienced the same thing with my 360 with stock fluid and pads. I installed Ferodo DS2500 pads and Castrol SRF fluid and now I can run very hard on the track all day with zero fade. There is no need to go to bigger rotors and calipers. The DS2500's are a good compromise Track/street pad. They squeal a little sometimes but hold up to a full track day. I don't want the hassle of switching race pads in and out every time.

I'm running Pirelli P-Zero Corsa's 235/18 f, 295/18 r on Challenge rims.

 

You may want to try: www.movit.de

They dont have an application listed for the 360, but the company could probably take care of your particular application.

 

You may want to try: www.movit.de

They dont have an application listed for the 360, but the company could probably take care of your particular application.

 

Just for the record, I use DS2500 Ferrodo pads. I went through 5 sets last year, getting about 5 track days per set. After 32 track days the original rotors were toast. I consider this pretty good rotor life for tracked cars (driven as hard as I drive them). DS2500s are streetable down here in Texas winters.

I use ATE super[Blue/Gold] and flush it 4 times per year (not bleed, a whole system flush). This fluid and the DS2500 pads are sell matched to each other, and my braking <ahem> events have gone away since arriving at this setup.

I routinely chase down, pass and lap F360F1s on r-compound tires in my F355B on street tires (S03s).

Considering that the F355 brakes are not as big as the 360 brakes rotors, and that the 360 is lighter than the F355. I can't see any reason to need bigger brakes on a 360. However some air ducting might be appropriate. The 360C cars have a nice little Carbon Fiber scoop that mounts on the lower a-arm and has a duct blowing air on the caliper and rotor. I would try better fluid and pads first, then if braking is still an issue a set of these before trying more expensive options.

Note: I have noticed the load on my brakes has gone down as my driving skills improve.