are ferraris or lambo better built?

While I have never owned a Lambo, I have owned six Ferraris. And, I have a friend, Beau Pirkle, that has done paint work, body work and restorations on both Ferraris and Lambos for more than 25 years. He says that a Lambo's build quality pales in comparison to that of a Ferrari. He claims that he has had Lambos apart for repair and was startled at how poorly the chassis is put together. But, I suspect Lambo is now much better with Audi's involvement.

 

Hmmm... I may get shot down for this, But just my opinion. I think it would be somewhat hard to compare since Lambo only had one model til last year as where as ferrari had more. But.....
I think they were about the same (reliabilty wise)until around the mid 90's when Ferrari came out with the more reliable/user friendly 355. I think the reliability/quality shot up a bit more for Ferrari at this point. And then came the 360 in 99 which is very user friendly. These two Ferraris, in my opinion, are very user friendly and can be driven daily and still have that Ferrari designer quality and flare as Ferrari always had.
But in 01 Lambo came out with the 6.0 Diablo which was by far the most user friendly and well built Diablo of all time in both quality and reliability(my opinion). They went all out on the 6.0! No expenses spared with all there technology and materials for their last year Diablo with the aid of design by the current designer of the Murcielago! I guess they went all out for their last model before the Murcielago came out, just like how Porsche did with the 993 Twin Turbo before the watercooled versions came out. Now they have the Murcielago and Gallardo engineered by both Lambo and Audi. As all new models, they all get their recalls, but Im sure are ALOT more reliable than the earlier Diablos(exempting the 6.0).
So it is a hard toss up and really hard comparison. I'm sure with time, they all get better. Just a matter of opinion. I have a Ferrari, but I love both makes VERY much but for different reasons!!! Both beautiful cars with outstanding performance!!! If I offended anyone, I do apologize. Just all my opinions^_^. What do I know anyways!!!

 

I dont think that a Ferrari is "better" than a Lambo. Ferrari has the edge as far a reliability since they produce far more cars, and have a greater dealer network that Lambo. They spend money to test and find weak points that they may have overlooked in design. Lambo has changed hands several times in the last 30 years and has been a poor investment for its owners. I think that with Audi owning them they now have a solid financial backing and will spend the $$ test and fix problems before the cars are deliver to the customers. You should see the reliability of these cars greatly increase with the Murci/Gallardo line as opposed to the Countach/Diablo line. Then again what do I know

 

I havent had any expierence with the two, but from stories I have heard, I would say that Ferraris are put togerher bettter, I have heard multiple storys of Lambos that would have their doors break and the owner would be stuck inside etc.

With Lambo under Audi now, I bet that they will fix those little problems

 

Comparing my Maranello with my wife's Murcielago I find only well made automobiles, perfected. I expect that nothing over routine maintnance will need to be done.

aehaas

 

You got the 575M
Your Wife has the Murcy

That has to be one of the coolest things ever, do you 2 ever argue whos is better???

 

Given how pathetic Audi is reliability-wise, I'm not sure why you think their involvement is going to boost Lambo above Ferrari. Unfortunately, nobody collects good statistics on Ferrari or Lambo reliability and build quality. So, at the moment the best info is from people that work on both... like Norwood... people who see numerous examples of both vehicles over a long time period... and understand the root causes.

 

I had a chance to compare cars from the same period yesterday. I went to test drive the 512 TR in Bangkok and in there was the Diablo from the same period....early 1990s.

I had a good look at both of them and must say that 512 TR wins in all aspect; build quality, material, workmanship, etc... Now, today cars from both companies are not the same as before. If we are talking overall quality, it is hard to judge who is better...but I do suspect that Ferrari still has an edge over Lambo, mainly due to amount of car produced.

 

Well,since you asked.Keep in mind where you posted this topic.I think there is a concerted effort by many not to get into the F car,L car ,who is better debate.And even a reasonable question as yours will result in ruffled feathers.I read all of the posts,and it appears that most(not all)are based on heresay and folklore,or the old "this guy said this".It would seem the question should be,"for those who have OWNED both,what do you feel about these issues.Here is my experience,keeping in mind that you stated 1990 and newer.I have owned 7 F cars.Tr's,328,348,F40.I have owned 12 lambo's,including 8 Diablos.In a nut shell,the fit and finish and attention to detail on the F cars is better,and the mechanical reliability of the L cars is stronger.That being said,parts are MUCH more expensive in the L cars,and availability sucks.But less is required to maintain them.The L cars are not temperamental in the least.Unless you are a novice as a driver,the clutch issue is a non-issue.I would call it a total draw,in my experiences with 19 total F and L cars.Both great cars,both will only get better.Im open for shots!!


P.S. I have not owned a 355 or 360,but consulted one of the top Italian car mechanics in the Atlanta area for feedback as well.He mirrored my sentiment,into the current cars offered by both F and L.

 

Lambo under Audi is almost certainly more reliable per car.

 

One of the main reasons I purchased my 6.0 was due to the reliability of the car.I originally wanted a Ferrari until I took a trip through Fof SF and saw about 30 cars being serviced.Were talking engine out services at low miles.That told me they were put together like crap.Ive been in the auto business for 15 years so Im familiar with all types of cars and it just made me feel uneasy.Im glad I trusted my gut and with 28k miles on the clock of my car,its needed just fluid changes.

Joe

 

My friend is in charge of a body work, paint and restoration shop that has done restorations that have won at Pebbles Concours with a Lambo 350, I will not name where his shop is located but I will say that is in conection with Lamborghini. In his words he says Ferraris are better put together, they seem to be design and built by engineers that are artists and workmanship is much better, but he said that he was very happy with the Gallardo and he is buying his in parts and will put it together himself, and also he restored a Murcielago and I saw the car as it was going under the restoration from a very bad accident, the car when finished it was perfect and it was shipped to the Lamborghini factory because they wanted to see the finished product so they could have that shop as thier top body work and restoration facility in the U.S. He said the Murcielago was the best Lamborghini ever put together and that it was a real car that was well worth the money that it had nothing to envy from Ferrari.

 

Your friend lied to you then as the top restoration shop for Lambos is Ultimate Motors in Longwood.They are the oldest Lambo dealer in the US and get all the heavy projects.They must ship all Murci rebuilds to Italy for final approval when done at their shop .This is not something done to try to win some award from Lamborghini Spa.

Joe

 

I'm sorry this has to take the cake for one of the weirdest posts I've ever read on FChat. An employee of the factory-owned dealership in San Francisco told you Ferraris are put together like crap? So you bought a Lambo because you expected the reliability to be better? I'm not sure which statement is more unbelievable. By the way, in my experience, ALL Ferraris built since the early to mid nineties are VERY reliable, especially main drive train components.

Gary

 

My friend didn't lie and its exactly Ultimate Motorworks in Longwood the place I was talking about, the dealer that drive the cars fast down by the road of the Big Tree park. The man responsable for the silver 350gt win was an old puertorican who already retired, I know them since 1983 when the head mech. was little Steve and his brother John was a regular mechanic and Kirk was the detailing guy, I used to skip shool and hang out in the shop and go for fast rides when they tested the cars, they also serviced my cars since I was 16. I know them all very well and what I said its the way it is. Also it was $140,000 to restored that Murcielago and the reason for the car going back to Italia was to be inspected by the factory to see if the place was capable of such works and if so then they would make that the place to have people send their new Lamborghinis for collision damage or restoration. And Francisco did an awsome job on that blue Murcielago that was crash up north with only 400 miles on it, during the winter the owner went for a drive and lost control because of ice on the road.

As above so below, just don't hurt yourself.

 

You got it all wrong, Gary.
Not anywhere in TTBADBOYs reply does he quote an employee at the shop refering to f-cars buildquality as crap.
It's the simple fact that he

// Peter

 

As usual I ENJOY your posts and would agree with you on most things said and the others I haven't had any experience with. Keep posting!

 

My mistake, I read "that" as "they". My apologies to all.

Gary

 

Yes,what he said.And I think crap is the wrong term to use as Im sure they arent crap.I just relate engine out servicing as over the top.I know they run great,they just need frequent service to run great.Sorry for the slip.

Joe

 

In order to steer this thread a little more back on track:

The British magazine CAR (which is excellent, IMHO) did an early test of a Diablo. During the test, the shifter broke clean off, and an overheating problem lead to a severe meltdown to the point at which aluminum (aluminium?) was dripping beneath the car.

They didn't experience those sorts of problems with 348s, 355s, or 512TRs of the same period.

--Matt

(P.S. Whatever became of L.J.K. Setright? He was one of the best automotive writers next to the late Ken Purdy.)

 

Aluminum dripping? Get real. Aluminum melts at 660 degrees C.! and I can break any 348/355/512 shifter on a 1-2 shift if you let me.Unreliable? Only your source of info.

Joe