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  1. WCH

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    I haven't looked at this market in a few years and would appreciate referrals. I have a sports racer I'd like to insure during storage and transport. Last time I checked, storage & transport policies were available for a few hundred dollars annually. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Car will be used primarily in the midwest/eastern US. Thanks, Will.
     
  2. ProCoach

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  4. WCH

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  5. AustinMartin

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    Holy Cow! That thing looks like a single seater LeMans car! Sick! More pix!!!
     
  6. WCH

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    That's the only pic I have at the moment, but thanks, I'll post a couple more when I get them.

    In the meantime, the caption for the photo is a little balloon above Chris Young's head that says:

    "Hey, Will, have you thought about racing a Bugeye Sprite?"
     
  7. ProCoach

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    #7 ProCoach, Dec 19, 2008
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    What did you turn? Bet your neck started hurting three laps in in T3 and T8. :)

    I was there last Sunday running a friends old Royale S2 at just over 10 flat. Fergus' new record is only a 1:09.5.

    Jean-Luc Liverato and Ken Tyrell are in the 1:02's in their latest WF-1's, quicker than Hurley Haywood or Brian Redman in Porsche 962's! The track's quick for sure! Jean-Luc has the track record at 1:02.007.

    A local buddy bought Jaremko's RunOffs WF1. I think he'll lend it to me. We'll have to set a date at VIR! :D

    Congrats, can't wait to see it (and you).
     
  8. ProCoach

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    #8 ProCoach, Dec 19, 2008
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    Yep, these cars are the BOMB. 1-liter bike engines and they're in the high 1:18's at Road Atlanta, 1:49's at VIR, 2:05's at Elkhart, 1:51's at the Glen, just insane.

    Tunnels, the latest CFD to hone the body shape, state of the art construction, all for about a quarter of a F430GT and quicker, too. Built in the Pacific Northwest by a guy named Wayne Felch. Quicker than Atlantics, too.

    Will's gonna have some fun now!
     
  9. WCH

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    #9 WCH, Dec 19, 2008
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    I ran roughly 30 laps, stock motor, 1:04 flat best time, ok for first time out I guess.

    Interesting car. You really need to have a proper bead seat; against advice, I did a temporary foam job that left me hanging on to the steering wheel for all I was worth! The shifting also is strange to me, a fully mechanical paddle system (paddles attached to cables that eventually get back to the gearbox) I never could get to downshift consistently; we may change that system before the Sebring national.

    The truth is, the car is IMO a bit over the top for club racing; it's a lot of car, a fantastic ride, and cries out for someone who can really drive. I'd love to run it in a pro mazda like series that combined development drivers and - ahem - a "masters" category. Peter, I really felt, with no disrespect intended to Jean Luc (who had a lot of success), that the 1:02 track record would be materially reset by someone like Guy Cosmo. I know the cars have been tested by Shane Lewis; I really should ask Guy to help sort it and lay down some baseline laps I could spend the rest of my life trying to match.

    Nah. I'll just make up some new excuses, it's easier!

    Edit - I'm very sorry that Jean Luc apparently is dropping out of DSR in favor of srf. I think the WF1 is just a great car, and would love to see the ranks grow. Not going to happen in this environment, to be sure.
     
  10. ProCoach

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    Terrific! Great for stock motor and especially without proper support. I'm glad you got it, but I thought you were headed in the IMSA Lites direction?

    I think Jean-Luc, like many functioning at the top of their particular sandbox, decided after two or three years that there were too many zeroes behind the first numeral of the expense sum... He started in SRF, btw.

    Merry Christmas, hope to see you at the track.
     
  11. mousecatcher

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    #11 mousecatcher, Dec 20, 2008
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    The equivalent West car is the IMSA Lites L:2 car and you can run in either L2 (which does have a masters class) or SCCA DSR. The '09 body is supposed to be quite good. The Stohr was the car to beat last year but I think the West will be a strong challenger this year.

    Personally I think they're too expensive. You have to build the motor to be competitive and then they aren't reliable so you're always rebuilding.
     
  12. ProCoach

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    Eric V had the new West at PRI. Looked good, but it'll be awhile before it threatens the WF-1.
     
  13. mousecatcher

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    what makes you say so?
     
  14. ProCoach

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    Congrats for a great performance at the Sebring Nats. A very close second and you were miles ahead of the third place car What happened to Dorian? You should feel great, right on his time.
     
  15. WCH

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    #15 WCH, Jan 20, 2009
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    "Personally I think they're too expensive. You have to build the motor to be competitive and then they aren't reliable so you're always rebuilding."


    Mouse - I'm not convinced that they're unreliable; it's very difficult to determine how people are building/operating/maintaining their motors. Just one example: we found low oil pressure in certain turns, and have made mods to address the problem. The stock paddle shifter is not all that impresive IMO, and we wonder whether improper use/setup has hurt some of the cars out there. Correct prep is expensive, and the car seems to require a nanny at the track and fairly extensive between evet attention. I'm also not even 100% sure you need to build a motor to be competitive, but we'll see how my stock motor does! Obviously, a $30k motor, at a track like Road America, will afford advantages probably impossible to overcome, even by someone who can drive - much less by me. Too expensive? Probably, which is why I have an SRF, too.

    Peter - thanks for the kind words, but I wasn't really competitive at Sebring, second place was a gift. Making some changes to the car to make it more driveable, and hope to test the car at VIR or Atlanta in February. Hey, if you know of any private tests at Atlanta or VIR in Feb, I'd love to share. Hope to be on the pace at Atlanta and VIR.
     
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    #16 mousecatcher, Jan 20, 2009
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    you only need to ask people. to run at the front, you need a built motor, no question.

    top 6 finishers at the past runoffs all had built motors. Perry (p7) was the lead finisher without a built motor. He finished more than a minute behind the race winner.

    at least that's what i've been told (by Perry), however i did just now see that p1 through p6 all had suzuki motors and Perry has the yamaha.

    anyway in so light a car (ie, smallish HP improvements matter) there's really no question that if one person builds their motor everyone has to.

    that's not to say it's not incredibly fun even if you have a standard motor. you just can't be competitive.

    it's not cheap.
     
  17. WCH

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    "you only need to ask people. to run at the front, you need a built motor, no question"


    Don't need to ask anyone, I'm absolutely certain I could put the right driver (not me) in a car with a stock motor and beat almost everyone out there. Now, the winning car at the RunOffs had a terrific motor (in fact, three or four of them, I'm told) and a good driver, to be sure.

    IMO much can be accomplished with the right testing and tweaking. I'd imagine even a stock motor could be paired with standalone engine management and tuned, without any "building" at all. IMO based on years of doing this, too many people reach for a big motor as a crutch, it's expensive but relatively easy compared to renting tracks for a couple days at a time and methodically testing everything on the car. Very few people understand what's going on with a car like the Stohr. The aero intrigues me, for example; I'll bet you a dollar the car has never been in a wind tunnel.

    Hey, just my 2 cents.
     
  18. speedmoore

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    I had my insurance with Bonnie Madden at HEACOCK and did for many years. They had to use another underwriter a few years back (Sept 11 changes) due to my business diversity for some of my multiple policies required (CCR Motorsports Insurance). Now I deal directly with Sean Schwartz and CCR Motorsports Insurance. Sean has been awesome and frankly I have better coverage for less money. They insure one of my race cars, my building, my business liability, my 54' and 48' transporters, my tow truck, my insurance needed for renting a tractor from Penske, all my equipment in the shop and on the road, garage keepers liability, workman's comp as well as my racing liability too. http://www.ccrins.com/index.html
     
  19. mousecatcher

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    well let me clarify, when i say competitive, i mean able to podium when competing with the best in the country. i don't see how it's possible for you to be 15HP down and still compete. and if we're talking about a national level highly competitive series -- like pro mazda -- we're talking about strong competition.

    i'll take that bet.
     
  20. WCH

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    "if we're talking about a national level highly competitive series -- like pro mazda -- we're talking about strong competition"


    I agree with you about Pro Mazda, a real development series - this isn't anything like that.

    As for the wind tunnel - you may get my dollar and, with the market falling, buy an Enzo with it! - but, as you know wind tunnel time is pretty expensive, and even having a model built for testing costs a few bucks. Over a small run of what are really club/track day cars, I can't see getting back the cost of that kind of r&d.

    Cheers, Will
     
  21. ProCoach

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    Thanks, good info.
     
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    #22 ProCoach, Jan 22, 2009
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    Meh. The RunOffs are just one race. It's been a one or two horse (now three) show for nearly a decade, so what. There are a heck of alot more WF-1's around than go to the RunOffs. Besides, the xSR classes, because of their open rules nature, have had historically wider gaps between competitor performance than a lot of other classes. That's just more apparent at the RunOffs.

    I agree with Will on this one. A proper professional driver with some experience and chassis tuning could likely beat JR, Mark and others, especially at a place that is not WFO and simple, like Elkhart. Remember, it's just "fun" racing. People are paying, not being paid. ;)

    Can't wait to get in Mark Jaremko's 2008 RunOffs WF-1 at the end of next month at my local track... :D

    Rock on, Will.
     
  23. mousecatcher

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    and how would said driver fare against another proper professional driver with chassis tuning and a built motor?
     
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    #24 mousecatcher, Jan 23, 2009
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    well if you agree about pro mazda, then you agree period. i only mentioned pro mazda because you mentioned it! if you're not talking about being nationally competitive then ignore me. :)

    BTW, nice car. :)
     
  25. ProCoach

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    That's why they don't give out trophies for testings, practice and qualifying! :D
     

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