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Got 430 spider today. Have a few problems to resolve. Need your help.

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  1. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

    Dec 13, 2008
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    #1 ELP_JC, Feb 22, 2011
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    Hi gang. Got car today, and other than trucker scratching a wheel, it looked as expected cosmetically. But after checking everything, found the following issues. I'm quite disappointed at FNE, since they just serviced the car (changed all fluids) 15 miles ago, and charged the battery.

    1. Main issue: found a ton of acid at the bottom of the battery. Don't know why the hell FNE didn't say anything. Doesn't look like it just happened. Vacuumed all that nasty white stuff, and ended up with solid rust, which I tried to clean. It also ate the carpet, but fortunately, right before it'd be noticeable. Took pic after that step. Battery is an Interstate, and the vent line end doesn't fit properly, so electrolyte dripped to the bottom of the battery (pic below). My guess is battery was tilted during installation. Will pull battery out after I get the state inspection tomorrow, and buy a new one. Will also find a way to seal the vent line, and install a remove battery charger that I can pull next to the wipers. The question: Is there anything critical under the battery? Hope acid didn't go below the bolts... or further back. Darn. Corrective action suggestions welcome.

    2. Coolant tank is EMPTY. Looks like it's blue due to a little bit at the very bottom, so will probably buy Honda coolant (long life), as it's the only blue I've seen. No Ferrari dealers anywhere close. Suggestions welcome.

    3. Oil dipstick barely has oil at the tip with engine off and oil cool. I know it has to be checked idling with engine hot, but didn't want to start engine again if it's that low. Common sense dictates level will be even lower with engine idling but am not sure. Can somebody check their oil with the engine cold and see where it reads? That way I can have an idea how low it is. My guess is it'll be a bit lower, like in-between min and max, which is about 1-1/2-qts, according to the manual, meaning mine is over 2 quarts low, apparently. The thing is I've never seen SHell Helix oil locally, let alone 5/40. Any suitable substitute? Mobil1 maybe?

    4. Power steering fluid is below min too. I have all manuals and no one states either capacities nor fluid types. What does this thing need? Pentosin CHF S11? Thanks. At least the damn brake fluid was full :). That's why I don't trust dealers with my cars. Apparently Ferrari ones are no different :-(.

    Few other questions manuals were no help:

    - My car has the 'bluetooth' option, and has the buttons on the console, but 'infotainment' manual only mentions a telephone function which needs a SIM card, not bluetooth. Plus when I hit the button, it says 'not available', just like with the navigation button. The options list says 'bluetooth'. Does anybody with BT can tell me how it works, if at all? Thx.

    - My car also has the CD changer in front, but can't eject the magazine. Manual says to push the 'eject button', and there's none. Those changers should eject the magazine when opening the cover completely, but after hearing the trays cycle, it goes silent, rather than ejecting the magazine. Any ideas??? By the way, put an MP3 CD on the headunit and didn't play, but at least it played a regular CD. Didn't know there was different MP3s; will have to do some research. Oh well.

    - Is there a way to open the 'hood' (front trunk) manually? I ask because with the battery switch disconnected, if the thing is accidentally closed, how the heck do you open it?

    - Is it normal for the hydraulic roof pump to keep running when the roof is fully open? In all my previous convertibles you were supposed to keep pushing the button until the system stopped, as it was still closing things after it was apparently done (roof already down). This takes like a second after movement stops. I kept pushing it for about 2 seconds, and let it go. Haven't closed it yet, but now that I know it won't stop, do you stop right after the lid closes? By the way, disconnected the battery switch with the roof down. Shouldn't have any issues, correct? Also noticed one of the latches got a bit hung to the headliner. Will stop the mechanism when closing it tomorrow and lube those parts.

    I think that's it for now. Have a lot of work to do, since car looks nice, but not nearly to my anal standards :). Part of the fun though. Thanks a million in advance.
    JC
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  2. source

    source Formula Junior

    Dec 20, 2010
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    Oh fudge, that's quite a puddle of mess you have there my friend; good luck!
     
  3. dsevo

    dsevo Formula Junior

    May 7, 2007
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    I can't answer all of your questions, but in my experience with dry sump systems, the oil will always read low when the motor is cold and not running. That is because the oil drains back into the bottom of the motor without the oil pump spinning. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Even if your tank was 2 quarts low you wouldn't hurt the motor upon startup, I just wouldn't go hammer it. Just run the motor and get it warmed up, then check the oil the proper way like the manual states.
     
  4. Nashtyboy

    Nashtyboy Formula Junior

    Sep 8, 2010
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    Raleigh, NC
    Wow, avoid Ferrari of New England - check.

    Open up the changer faceplate thing, I think the eject button is in there.

    Isn't the manual trunk release back in the engine bay somewhere?
     
  5. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

    Dec 8, 2004
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    I don't have it to hand but am absolutely sure this is in the manual
     
  6. away

    away Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2004
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    Check the oil the way it is supposed to be checked. Don't add more on a hunch and have it overfilled.

    Front hood manual release should be under the dash about where your shins are.
     
  7. RobD

    RobD Formula 3

    Nov 10, 2003
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    #7 RobD, Feb 22, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2011
    1) The factory battery is a Gel type. Since the battery is mounted inside the cockpit, a Gel battery offers greater safety in a crash. Also, a leaking wet battery can more easily cause damage than a leaking Gel or AGM battery. Interstate makes a Gel battery that should fit, the MTP-H6A (IIRC).

    2) Don't know.

    3) For a proper reading, the oil must be hot and the engine idling. There's a lot of oil in the tank, if you have good oil pressure when driving, I wouldn't worry about starting it to check the oil level. It probably just needs topping off. I top off with Mobil-1 0W-40. As suggested above, check it correctly and don't overfill.

    4) Don't know.

    I believe there is a mechanical hood release pull somewhere under the dash by the steering wheel. I can't help with the other stuff.

    Congrats on the car!
     
  8. njcycleguy

    njcycleguy Formula Junior
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    Dec 27, 2008
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    #8 njcycleguy, Feb 22, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2011
    Car has to be running to check oil. It will always read well below minimum when not running.

    Do a search and you will find the Bluetooth pairing instructions. I believe you simply put your phone in Bluetooth search mode immediately after starting the car - your phone should find something called either Handsfree or Ferrari V.7.61 or something. The passkey is either 1111 or 1234.

    I believe my car (an '05 430 spider) stops the hydraulic pump automatically once the roof locks into place.

    Good luck with the rest of the issues! What I learned very quickly about Ferrari dealers is they are just that - dealers. And they treat the cars just like - well, any other regular car. YMMV.
     
  9. Need4Spd

    Need4Spd F1 Veteran

    Feb 24, 2007
    6,678
    Silicon Valley
    On #2, I don't know what Honda has in its coolant. It may be OK, but I would think Ferrari engines and cooling systems have more in common with BMWs than Hondas. Here is what I've found said about BMW coolant.

     
  10. av2

    av2 Formula Junior

    May 22, 2008
    478
    S. California
    #10 av2, Feb 22, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2011
    Sorry to hear about all of these issues.

    For coolant, I use Prestone. I would suggest contacting the dealer that serviced the coolant and ask what they used before going with Honda's blue coolant. BMW uses blue as well.

    When my engine is cold, there is only a bit of visible oil on the dip stick. Just let your car idle for about 15 mins and then check oil level. These cars have 9-10 quarts of oil in the system, so just idling is not going to starve the engine.

    For the CD changer, there is a button on the top left (facing the changer) right next to the magazine. Use a flash light to find it. I just changed the CDs last night, and it was a bit hard to see and reach.

    Good luck.
     
  11. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

    Dec 13, 2008
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    Thanks a lot man; that's all I wanted to know. Wasn't going to add any unless I was absolutely sure it was that low; that's why I asked :). And will search again for the BT instructions with the info you provided, but seems strange it's going to work when manual doesn't mention anything. Hope you're right :).

    And yes, manual release for the 'trunk' is under the dash; many thanks. It's hard as hell with very little play, but will try it when battery is good for piece of mind. Release for the gas cap is in the engine compartment, and release for the glove box is a red string, at the right hinge, below the glove box; it should be hanging down. If not, look for it with your fingers; must be lodged in there.

    All 'long life' coolants lack silicates, and all manufacturers use that now, especially on all-aluminum engines, like Honda, BMW, etc. Will double check to make sure. By the way, the ideal coolant should also lack phosphates, borates, and nitrites, but nobody specifies that anymore. At any rate, those 3 agents would probably only make a difference well north of 50K miles, which will never be the case in my of my cars.

    And I wasn't knocking down FNE as they did a great job on the cosmetic stuff, but just to point out to potential buyers to things: It's better to be present :). And when you get the car, CHECK EVERYTHING when you get it. That way if anything is not right, like in my case, it's just an inconvenience. Maybe it's unrealistic to expect a tech to check an aftermarket battery installation, but a drain line OVER THE BATTERY should have triggered his curiosity, as it'd never drain out. Will let them know for future PPIs. And potential buyers should also have them check that connection even with stock batteries, as it can happen during transit.

    Only previous issue left to answer is type of power steering fluid. Has anybody topped it off?

    Hey, forgot to ask 2 more things:

    - Has anybody removed the center console ash tray? Mine has the 12V outlet inside (telephone buttons on right side), and only opens about 1/3 of the way. Probably a penny fell inside, as it feels solidly locked. Tried pulling it with moderate force but didn't budge. Rather ask than break soomething.

    - Those with personal experience with touch-up paints for both Rosso Corsa and stock wheels please state your source. Want to make sure they're a good match. Thx.
     
  12. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

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    #12 ELP_JC, Feb 22, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2011
    Top left of changer when you're looking at it from the front of the car? The magazine door compartment opens rearward (towards the front of the car), and all I see inside is the suspension system. It had 2 white squares at the edge of the changer that looked like buttons, but it's just a bracket. Tried pressing them but only push the whole thing down. Those super thin units usually have the eject mechanism activated when door is fully open, so maybe something is wrong.

    Anyway, looked and touched EVERYWHERE, and no eject button. Can you check your model? Mine says: Becker Silverton 6-cd changer 7860 Thx. Maybe yours is different. And does it read MP3s? Well, not even my head unit reads my MP3 discs, so never mind. Appreciate your help man. If can't get it to spit out, will leave it alone. Maybe that's why seller never said it had a changer. Hmmm. Have a great day.
     
  13. hardtop

    hardtop F1 World Champ

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    Check the PS fluid when the car is hot also. It can expand quite a bit. If you overfill it, the excess will flow out into the rubber surround.

    Dave
     
  14. av2

    av2 Formula Junior

    May 22, 2008
    478
    S. California
    The button is on the left and below (look inside) the 2 white squares you described. The button is rectangular shaped and you really need a flash light and really bend over to see it. It's in there.
     
  15. SfefVan

    SfefVan Guest

    Nov 28, 2008
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    JC, Ferrari recommends GLYCOSHELL as coolant. That's what I have in my car. It's a protective coolant with antifreeze action for monoethylene glycol-based cooling systems.
    Must be mixed with 50% water.

    AV2 gave you the right hint to find the eject button. Same on mine. The first time, I wasn't able to find too.

    Regarding the drive cycle to relearn the values, just drive the car normally and make 3 different trips. This should make your car ready for inspection. You're right, after disconnection the battery, you must leave the ignition key in position II for at least 10 sec, then start the car and let it iddle for at least 10 minutes. As OBD reader, I use my own software but there are plenty of good OBD interfaces available on the market. The basically do all the same thing. Just a hint, some of them are unable to read both Motronic Ecu's and will give you the values of only the master Motronic, ignoring anything of the second Ecu (slave) while you can have error codes there too.

    As written before, use only GEL batteries. This is really important and you don't want to burn your passenger's legs ;)

    Hope this helps buddy. Enjoy discovering your car ;)
    Stef
     
  16. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

    Dec 13, 2008
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    Thanks a million for all the help gang.

    Found the eject button.. FINALLY!!! He he. Thanks. And everything works, so cool. Changer took a while 'loading', but finally finished. And why don't my MP3 CDs play on the head unit? They're finished 700MB CD-Rs and highest resolution MP3s. Any idea why?

    Checked oil and it's a quart low, not two, so no worries; have time to find suitable oil and top it off. Likewise, power steering fluid is 1/3 above min, so also have time to find correct fluid. By the way, manual calls for Shell Donax TX for the 'hydraulic steering system', and Shell Retinax CS00 for the 'steering box'. What the hell is the latter?

    Flunked the inspection test because of 'readiness' codes, but stopped by a friend's house (Aston Vantage) with a reader and zero codes, so the proper starting procedure after disconnecting power to the car takes care of that issue. Stupid dealer said to drive the car 100 miles for the codes to be ready, but that's ridiculous. Stef's suggestion of 3 trips makes more sense, and already did that, so will stop by tomorrow again. If not, my buddy knows another place where they don't even drive the car, which this dealer wants to do to check the brakes. I'm going to tell them that I drive, and if not, go to the other place.

    And finished reading all manuals, and there was mention of 'bluetooth, but manual said to read the manual of a Scaglietti. What the hell? Will search here, but that was weird.

    Also need instructions how to remove the ash-tray, if anybody knows. Thanks again for all your help. Man, this car is a freaking blast to drive. I wasn't too convinced it was going to be worth it, to be honest, but it is. The most amazing part is the steering, which is the best I've sampled by far. Clutch has the perfect feel and effort as well, and throttle is exactly what I'm used to, so I'm driving this thing like a pro already :). What is a disappointment is the Bridgestone tires; they skid at the least provocation, and supposed to be super grippy. I've always thought Bridgestones were crap, and these tires are not making me change my mind one bit. Will probably try the F1 runflats, even though handling will suffer a bit; it's a compromise I'm very willing to make. Plus they'll last much longer; don't need a max summer tire here. Thanks gang. In a few weeks I'll almost be an expert on this car, so will pay it forward. Still need to remove the battery, neutralize the acid, and assess and correct the damage. Just want my plates first. Take care.
     

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