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  1. JV's89

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    I'm guessing that's one of the few 328s that's as fast as it looks.
     
  2. pad

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    Do you have any specs on the car?
     
  3. 328turbo

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    #4 328turbo, Jan 16, 2011
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    Hey guys, thanks for contributing and I appreciate the inquiries. :):):)

    JV's89,
    Good guess ;):D

    Hey Pad,
    I'm not big into disclosing specifics like power or injector size or things like that on a public forum. But this car is set up VERY well.;);)
    Norwood is an innovator and a pioneer.
    I don't know where Morris Plains is but if you ever wanted to check out the car for yourself, just PM me. It would be no problem, I'm in Staten Island.

    But I will say she originally dyno'd @ 360hp at the rear wheels (between 405 & 410hp @ the motor), app. 20 years ago under the care of Norwood Autocraft.

    ......and she is still running GREAT all this time later. Tuned for the street & street gas nowhere near her full power potential (even on street gas) and every bit reliable that one expects from a 328.

    As I've stated in other posts, this is a lo boost application designed for a stock, or close to stock, compression ratio. The turbo does not work very hard at all and I am very surprised how long the original turbo has lasted....and shows no signs of fatigue.

    I used this car for rallies last year and may do it again in the up and coming year, so I have spent time tuning and dialing in the motor. Improvements with the updated EFI were immediate especially mid range power. Tested on the dyno and in parking lots. So there is room for further improvement, however this car is NOT a project and is fully functional so I am in no rush for any power improvements. These will come with time, as I feel necessary.

    This car has a fantastic history and although I will always be thirsty for more power, I will never take this car away from it's original concept or application. Just fine tuning to keep it up to date & enhance what it already is.
     
  4. mike996

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    "I'm not big into disclosing specifics like power or injector size or things like that on a public forum. "

    Uhh...why not? Otherwise it just sounds like empty claims that anybody can make. Without a dyno, 1/4 mile trap speed/ET comparison or something similar it's just talk.
     
  5. 328turbo

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    #6 328turbo, Jan 16, 2011
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    ^
    I didn't make any claims,
    Just answered a question
    So you can think whatever you want.
     
  6. 350HPMondial

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    I had a 1985 Ferrari Cabriolet, NORWOOD 308QV Turbo,,
    almost exactly like that...
    Ferrari Factory, USA Low compression, Ceramic top pistons do good with a little turbo.
    1990 Haltech E6 Engine management, fired off Ferrari factory Flywheel Trigger.
    Bosch Injectors, from a 3.0 Liter BMW, 12 Ohm
    Turbonetics Turbo at 1.0 Bar,, waste gate and pop-off controlled.
    MAP
    TPS
    IAC (GM Motor Type)
    no Lambda loop

    Oops, now I have to kill you all..
    ;)

    Edwardo
     
  7. 328turbo

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    ^
    :D:D only the current tune is under wraps:D:D
    Norwood's work on her is well documented:)
     
  8. Rock

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    how is the driveablity?
     
  9. technom3

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    I would imagine the MAP sensor is also a GM map sensor... they make the best.
     
  10. 328turbo

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    #11 328turbo, Jan 16, 2011
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    Rock,

    Drivability is Fantastic.
    I would compare it to a new car before anything 20+ years old.
    Idle is silky smooth, with 20 psi vac.
    Best part of the set-up, is that with the stock compression, it makes power just as stock in non boost situations. I posted somewhere before that this car has not been changed, but enhanced.

    Certainly not like the Grand National whose engine is at best 170hp without the turbo & then turns into a monster under boost.



    Technom3,
    Yep, very similar to Edwardos setup.
    When I updated the EFI, the only sensor I changed was the crank sensor, and relocated as well.
    I have no idea what a Lambda loop is though.:D

    Thanks for posting guys :)
     
  11. Rock

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    what is the maximum boost level?
     
  12. technom3

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    have you had your A/F ratios checked? do you have a wideband A/F gauge or access to one? (aka as lambda)
     
  13. 328turbo

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    Max boost is apprx. 5psi.

    And yes, A/F is at or around 11.75:1 throughout the entire power band.

    She does not have a wide-band, but does have an EGT gauge.
    Temps are surprisingly low, probably because of low boost level. Never seen it past 900*f.

    The car runs great.:):)
     
  14. TargaFlorio

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    #15 TargaFlorio, Jan 17, 2011
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    ...'Thanks to 328TURBO for the tips on interior restoration. Naturally, it goes without saying that who wouldn't be impressed with that awesome engine in his car but I was very impressed with the absolute factory fresh looking seats in his car. I can only imagine imagine what a turbo-328 would feel like. Until recently, my everyday driver was an '89 Toyota MR2 factory supercharged 1.6 liter. And it was a rocket! Plus, it even drove quieter and smoother than my Jaguar XJ-12......and didn't rattle like the Jag! Thanks again, 328TURBO. Posted are recent pics of my '86 328 GTSi.
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  15. Mfoncerrada

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    Holy cow!!! Looks very nice!
     
  16. Sigmacars

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    WOOOO that is real nice, and the Car looks good to
     
  17. 328turbo

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    #18 328turbo, Jan 19, 2011
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    Glad to help. Thank you for noticing the interior and reaching out ;)

    Those MR2's are very underrated, they handle like they are on rails. Very neutral feel, like a precursor for an NSX. My older brother had one when I was a kid, I loved it. Especially that short throw shifter.

    The first Ferrari I was ever in was an 86 328 exactly like yours(brand new). Again, I was a youngster. I didn't think I'd ever be in a position for a 328. But I was fortunate, the timing was just right.

    Your car is a beauty, augmented by another beauty.

    .....oh, and welcome to FChat! :)
     
  18. 328turbo

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    #19 328turbo, Jan 19, 2011
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    This car isn't all engine.
    It has a pretty rich history as well.
    Due mainly because of the engine!:p

    This 328 GTS was purchased new by computer game mogul, John Carmack.
    CEO of ID Software.
    The same guy in the car magazines with those outrageous, turbocharged Ferraris.
    This was the first one he purchased as well as the first one to be commissioned with the turbo.

    After his turbocharged F50 project, he put up the 328 as a grand prize for a gaming tournament sometime around 1997.
    This car was won by a professional gamer from the San Fran. area.
    It sat idle, displayed in the winner's offices for several years before going back to Norwood. From there, to it's second owner.
    IIRC, the contest winner never titled it.

    You can do Internet searches on the car and come up with some pretty interesting stuff pertaining to the history of this car.

    I found this recent Carmack interview online(May,'10) where he breaks down the costs of the build:

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/green-tech/advanced-cars/hacking-a-ferrari

    I also dug up this photo of the car during the period when it sat dormant in San Fran.,
    under it is a current photo of Carmack's original Texas vanity plate:
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