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  1. Pantdino

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    Nice car!

    US SPEC with Chairs and flairs, power windows and air conditioning.

    Dash covering is wrong {edit, maybe just badly worn], and so are the door panels and speakers. Seats are nice, but a little bit worn.

    Steering wheel looks off too. Too thick, and the seam is in the wrong place, although a little hard to tell from the photo. Might be from a newer 308 GT4 Dino.

    Did it have books [yes] and tools [apparently not]?

    All in all a very nice car, paint looks very good. Did you hear it run?

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    WOW. That thing absoloutley sparkles.
     
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    if i am not mistaken, that isn't an original flairs car.
     
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    Serial #??

    Could probably sort it out.

    The rears look tacked on. Could just be the lighting. [was the lighting]

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    Serial # 04946

    Dino register shows 1973 original flares car.

    Shows codes U, O and Y, which I have never been able to decode.

    70,000 + miles.

    From the auction

    "Hollywood Sports Cars in Hollywood, California sold this example new in June of 1973. At the time of purchase the car was upgraded with Campagnolo wheels and Daytona seats. The original purchase price was $16,038 plus $1,000 for Daytona seats. It is equipped with air conditioning, power windows, Becker stereo and an electric antenna. The car remained in
    California for its entire life and was stored for many years. Recently 04946 underwent a sympathetic restoration to preserve the originality of the car while making it as presentable and drivable as possible. The work included a full repaint and complete detail of components inside and out.

    The black and gray interior was too nice to replace and instead was given a careful freshening. The “mousehair” dash, leather covered Daytona style seats and carpets are all in very good condition considering their age. All mechanical systems (brakes, cooling, etcetra.) were inspected and tested and a complete tune-up, including the Weber carburetors, was performed. At this point, 04946 is in excellent running and driving condition and comes complete with the original purchase agreement, books, records and original keys. In a world of over restored cars it is always refreshing to come across something that has been preserved just as this nice Dino has."


    http://www.rmauctions.com/events/auctionresults.cfm?scode=MO05

    So $90K for a "freshened" car.
     
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    What's that extra switch under the dash at the left?
     
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    Power antenna maybe?
     
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    Most of the Dinos I've seen have crinkle coat paint on the air cleaner on top of the engine, not glossy.
     
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    I was looking at the car in low light conditions, but to me the dash looked like regular leather, not mouse hide. The grey in the seats looked absolutely clean, so I'm surprised to read it was old.

    My Euro '72 has the emergency flasher switch mounted below the dash on the left.

    I did hear it run Saturday night as it was being moved toward the stage, but it was obviously cold and running choked. Seemed very quiet, but that may just have been because I had heard the 512S and 246SP run a bit earlier. :)

    I'm pretty sure at least some of the cars had non-crinkle paint on their airboxes. Don't know what was correct when
     
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    Is this a good price? $90K US seems cheap compared to Australian prices.
     
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    attathced is the original invoice for this car from hollywood sports cars. there is a clear note about "exchange the seats for ???? seats" and also "special wheels due(?) factory flares". my previous comment most likely is incorrect. there is something that i can't put my finger on that doesn't look correct about this car and it's flares and the other flared cars i have seen.

    having not seen this car in person, i will reserve comment. it appears, at least from the invoice, that this could be a factory flare car but definitely not a flares and chairs car.
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    as for crinkle paint on the airbox. i have not seen a dino that looks that way. both of the dino's i have have a satin finish black paint with a warning sticker on the back side.
     
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    one last thing of note is the steering wheel. that wheel is not correct for this car. this dino is listed as a 73, the serial number shows it ios a 72. the type of wheel on this car wasn't used until 74 and continued into 308gt4 production.
     
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    "Is this a good price? $90K US seems cheap compared to Australian prices."

    What USD equivalent do the cars sell for in Australia?

    If I were considering this car I would want to know how many miles are on the engine now and exactly what this "sympathetic" work involved. I suppose if the miles are very low and the engine is very healthy then this was a good price.

    But I'm not in the business and my only comparison is a similar-looking car I was parked next to at the Huntington Beach Concourse a few years ago that had just been restored and had sold to New Zealand for $100K. So don't pay much attention to my opinion.
     
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    Dave

    Denny at Dinoregister sent me the following some time ago regarding the codes on the website - Still as clear as mud!

    Cheers

    John.


    Key to codes used in the options.

    Col.V

    Version: E = European, LHD

    B = British, RHD

    U = USA, LHD

    Col.W

    Power Windows: Y = Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown

    Col.X

    Wheels: S = Standard Cromodora, O = Optional Campagnolo,

    W = Wire wheels, 5 = Star, C = Custom alloys.

    Col.Y

    Wide fender flares: Y= Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown

    Col.Z

    Daytona seats: Y = Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown

    Col.AA

    Head lamp covers: Y = Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown

    Col. AB

    Grille guard: Y = Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown

    (Note: Y on the GT4 Dinos designates a sunroof)

    Col AC

    Air conditioning: Y = Yes, N = No, BLANK = No, or unknown
     
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    only way to know for sure is to look at the underneath surfaces that were not exposed to the sun. Under the dash where the gauges are. Under the dash itself. Usually the mousehair hangs in there forever. I have the original dash cover, and it's still fuzzy in two or three hidden spots. Behind the glovebox door is another good spot to check. I was told that there were a few cars that came with smooth dashes, but I have yet to confirm that.

    you also have 2 fan switches on the dash, correct? On the US car, the left switch controls the fans and the right switch is for the emergency flashers. My car has the antenna switch on the dash, but perhaps if the car came without the power antenna, and it was added later, the switch would mount under the dash instead.

    my US '72 has smooth paint on the airbox.
     
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    The Dino dash is actually just Dino vinyl that has been flocked.
     
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    WSPEER- how did you get that document if you dont mind me asking? Can you get them for any Dino?

    Thanks!
     
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    you also have 2 fan switches on the dash, correct? On the US car, the left switch controls the fans and the right switch is for the emergency flashers.

    Yes, each switch controls the fan on one side.
     
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    i have been looking at this car for awhile. it was previously for sale on the classic showcase website. i could never get a response from them regarding the car, possibly because it was consigned for the auction.

    i was not at monterey. i can't say how the car was represented. however, i do know that many people assumed that this was a chairs and flairs coupe. i know it isn't a chairs car from the factory. the flairs is up for debate. regardless, the carsold for good money. from the people i have talke dto, the car was at best a VERY GOOD driver and not a concourse car. it was also the only dino to make it into the weekends auctions. i think this is VERY strong money for a dino coupe. i do not think that it reflects market. if 2-3 dino coupes sold for this type of money, it would be different. i also question how accurately this car was represented.
     
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    Aren't you assuming that auction sales mean a transfer of funds and title?

    I've already shown one example where the 330 GTS allegedly "sold" at this years Monterey auction and it is still available.
     

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