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2006 Ferrrari Marlboro team shirts - look like Schumacher!

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  1. CollectorMorry

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    #1 CollectorMorry, Apr 19, 2006
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    This year PUMA has decided not to make the traditional plain cotton t-shirt, or the branded polo. They have, however, designed a fantastic 'shimmer' shirt. This is very similar to what McLaren wore last year - a breathable stretchy fabric, similar to a bicycling shirt, with half zipper at the front. See pix below. These are not meant for commercial sale, they are only made for team members. Exclusivity has a price....

    We we were very lucky to get a few, in most sizes. The price is CDN$395 - about US$339 / AUS$455 / £195. See pix below.
    We also still have some 2006 Marlboro winter jackets, rain/fall jackets, vests, fleece-light jackets, pitcrew shirts, caps & other bits.

    Also more stock arrived of the 2006 Ferrari BELL wearable helmets, only CDN$695 / US$595 - yellow or red! See below.

    Tons of other new items in at http://www.collectorstudio.com/new.htm
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  2. speedy_sam

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    I dont recall Schumacher wearing any shimmering shirt during the races?
     
  3. Dino Martini

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    holy..$395 bucks? That would be the most expensive shirt I have ever bought..I wish I could afford it.
     
  4. BLACK HORSE

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    $400 bucks for a shirt... no way dude... not me. However I'm sure you will find a few "Suckers" that will pay this outrageous price... Good luck!
     
  5. CollectorMorry

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    Anyone that has ever bought a Ferrari knows that supply and demand are what determine selling prices. I guess any Ferrari owner is a 'sucker' then by your definition. The only way to get one of these shirts is to join the team, they are not meant for commercial sale, hence the high prices. And yes, several capable clients have bought them, but I am quite sure they don't consider themselves 'suckers'. Thanks for your input.
     
  6. Mike C

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    #6 Mike C, Apr 20, 2006
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    Suckers, perhaps not. But with a different set of values than most of us Ferrari owners. $339 for a shirt...!

    Maybe you can get some of these for the rest of us who don't have such deep pockets:
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  7. Pagani16

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    That's the warm up version. LOL....
     
  8. CollectorMorry

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    The guy who posted the 'sucker' comment has a Ferrari 308, so I can assume he has good taste. Comparing this ebay special Malaysian knock off crew shirt (made in someone's basement with the wrong colors, shapes and patches), is like telling Mr. 308 to buy a Fiero based kit car for a quarter of the price. Quality always costs in life....as does exclusivity.

    Think about it - only 300 or so of these shirts were made....a handful are available for sale. Would you rather buy a Versace t-shirt for $400+??????

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  9. speedy_sam

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    Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder of course. I personally think that the shimmering effect makes it look very gaudy and cheap.

    What makes it better than a normal Ferrari shirt - it doesn't have any exclusive logos or signatures that you dont get in a normal Ferrari polo costing $60-100. Does it come with a sticker with a serial number 1 of XXX? Do you have a picture of Schumacher wearing it?

    Basically all it gives is dubious bragging rights - I have something that is 1 of XXX and it cost me $300. Personally, I am not an exclusivity junkie. So it doesn't matter to me. I have better things to spend $300 on.

    BTW, a 308 is a classic looking Ferrari and is perhaps the most recognizable Ferrari in the world. So the gentleman has displayed commendable taste in buying one IMO.
     
  10. BLACK HORSE

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    Well… I THINK I HIT A NERVE! He sounds a little pissed. Cool =)
     
  11. nzo4re

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    ***Think about it - only 300 or so of these shirts were made....a handful are available for sale. ***

    Your preception of value is unfortunaltely skewed. Low supply coupled with low demand does not equal value. (Nobody wants a hideous shirt no matter how rare). Of course you can probaly sell of few to the Eurotrash types in Montreal during the F1 weekend.
     
  12. Eddie@CavallinoModels

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    Rob in all due respect, that is not something to be proud of. If you do not like the item or dont want it. Dont buy it, there is no reason to give any sh*t.
     
  13. ROGUE GTS

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    Cool shirt, maybe for $20, even $40...

    What are they made of? Is it the quality of a good cycling jersey, and/or could it be used as such? If so that will sway me into the $60 range.

    Don't take it personally, but I find anyone who spend $400 on a t-shirt to be a little off kilter, I don't care whos name is on it.

    Good luck with your sheistering :)
     
  14. hps

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    What the hell is wrong with you guys ? Have any of you ever been in Morry's shop in Toronto ?
    Trust me, he doesn't keep items in stock for long, and I know for a FACT, that the Ferrari clothing he gets is from the F1 team.....have a look at the shirt...Marlboro is a clue.....you don't get official Marlboro on the knock offs, or the consumer clothing ......

    Here is a guy who is an Fchat sponsor.....listing items that he feels may be of interest to one or 2 of you..and you have the stones to hide behind your keyboards and critisize him ? He didn't design them, he didn't make them, he just has access to them.
    If you don't like it, fine.....move on....a lot of people do, but he usually moves anything he gets.

    But ask yourselves this........He has Ferrari F1 team issue clothing, and we are 3 races into the season......you don't get that if you don't know people in the right places. You don't get that at Wal Mart either......

    Morry has an amazing place, with truly amazing stuff...some if it quite mind-blowing....and one or two of you are all over him because he is offering an item THAT YOU CANNOT GET ANYWHERE... ???
    Exclusivity does come at a price....so does class. Clearly some of you have none.

    hps
     
  15. RP

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    Exactly. This is a registered sponsor, selling items that are expensive. If you don't like, don't want, can't afford, no reason to be nasty.
     
  16. cmparrenzo

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    An a $11 fake team shirt goes perfectly with a toupe, a fake Rolex , while driving a Fiero Ferrari...

    I would feel silly walking around in a fake team shirt knowing that everyone knows its an $11.00 poser shirt. I go to Formula 1 races and I am surprised that anyone would wear one of these Taiwan shirts in public.

    Ferrari has done a good job of making replica team shirts for the masses, but this is a collector market item.

    The real deal simply cost more, not because they are better, they are just unobtanium. A Ferrari 250 GTO is worth millions not because it is better, it is just desireable and rare. If they made thousands of GTO's do you think they they would sell for millions?

    I collect REAL team clothing, I do not consider myself a sucker for doing it. $399.00 is beginner price for team clothing. These clothes are not always worn and can and do increase in value. So its an investment in many cases, I have seen a lot of shirts go for nearly $1,000 and some rare team jackets can go for thousands...

    Morry is a class act and a friend of mine, Mike I have always respected your thoughts but I think you owe Morry an apology.
     
  17. TurboTodd

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    I don't think he's sheistering, if someone pays that, why not charge that price. I've visited his site, he has lots of unique items.. and unique prices to go with many of them. Only thing that I thought was odd, he crossposted this ad multiple times in different forums within Ferrarichat. I would think one post in the collectables section would have been suitable.

    I did pay $100 for an authentic Renault crew shirt last year at the USGP. $400 for a t-shirt however is a bit of a stretch considering prices I have seen for crewshirts, winter testing coats, etc.. But more power to ya Manny.

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  18. CollectorMorry

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    Thanks for your support HPS, cmparrf40, Eddie, TifosiRon & TurboTodd. This open forum gives everyone the right to vocalize, but criticisms should be valid and discretional. At the end of the day, I pay a lot of money to always get the rarest items, first. Keep in mind the following: NO, I did not design these shirts. NO I am not buying them for US$10 and reselling them for US$339. NO, I am not selling fashion statements, my comment is you will look like Schumacher if you buy one, as that is what he and the Ferrari F1 team wear. If you don't like it, or can't afford one, no problems. I do not sell necessities.

    I find it silly for people on a Ferrari forum to argue about sensibility, when the whole concept of a Ferrari and F1 itself is contrary to practicality. No one needs a fast car worth several times a Honda. F1 is an awesome sport but the vast money spent on it could also be used to feed the poor. Should I go on?

    Some people pick up the Robb Report and ask themselves out loud - WOW $10M for a house, $50K for a watch, $250K for a car, what kind of idiot would buy that? Obviously enough to stimulate the luxury good market. That is why 400 Enzos sold in a hearbeat, and people were desperate for more. Odd when you can get near performance from a Z06. It is not suprising to hear these comments, but it is sad when they come from the very community that supports the purest form of capitalism.

    Other comments:
    Black Horse - I think you dug your own grave here,
    Speedy_Sam - You don't care for 'exclusivity rights'? Interesting. I wonder what would happen if you could someday afford a 288 GTO. Would you look away and buy a KIA so you could blend in? Your comments are directed at anyone who has ever bought a fine watch, camera, wine, house, car, etc. I guess anyone with taste in the finer things, Ferrari 308 included, is an idiot.
    NZO4RE - First of all, your grammar is horrible. Second, how do you define "EuroTrash"? Ferrari would probably tell you these people constitute 50% of their audience, which allows them the funds to keep their company afloat. This in turn allows people like you to buy an F355....which many Ford drivers look at and stereotype the drivers to be 'Euro Trash'.

    The criticisms the three of you are making attack the majority of FChat users. I have sold 8 shirts since this posting yesterday. I imagine the buyers don't all consider themselves 'suckers'. They have and spend discretionary income on items like these as they are true Ferrari enthusiasts through and through. And these same people don't make fun of people on this forum who extoll the virtues of a $29 HotWheels diecast to the Nth degree, as they recognize there are different forms of expressing one's passion for the Prancing Horse.

    I am sorry if have offended anyone by offering something that many fans consider desireable.
     
  19. cmparrenzo

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    Morry, you did not offend anyone.

    It seems some individuals that cannot afford or appreciate the nicer things in life like to make fun of those more accomplished in life. If a person of wealth made fun of those enthusiasts that "only" had a 308 they would be run off this board. Unfortunately some people think they can say whatever they want if they percieve themselves as those at the bottom looking up.

    Some people only look at the price and never understand the value of anything...

    For me, its never been about the money or status, its about passion. 20 years from now my Cerruiti team wear, or the early Hilfiger team wear will be a great reminder of the fun I had with my Ferrari's and the fact it was worn by Ross or Michael or Nigel...

    If you are looking at these pieces as clothing, go get a Speedgear Catalog.
     
  20. nzo4re

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    Morry,

    I didn't attack you personally so I am puzzled as to why you feel compelled to personally attack me. You don't know me nor do you know my involvement with Ferrari, the FCA or my econnomic status, but it is evidently important to you. And then you have the balls to close out your post by stating "I'm sorry if I offended anyone..." Sheesh!

    Marketing Rule #1 - The customer is always right.
    Marketing Rule # 2 - If the customer is wrong see rule #1.

    Take your sissy shirts and the rest of your "collectables" and stick them up your tailpipe.
     
  21. Gilles27

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    Morry's been in this business a long time. And he is a FerrariChat sponsor. He sells only the best-quality merchandise out there. As far as the customer always being right, if the customer is completely uninformed as to the value of a piece of merchandise, then he has no business spouting off to the merchant. You owe him an apology.
     
  22. nzo4re

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    Gilles27,

    You don't know me either, so I would like you to explain to me and the others on this forum how I am uninformed.

    Again, my orginal comment was not directed personally at Morry, but he chose personally attack me in his response.

    And just for your information, I am an expert in the field of marketing and have created and driven products to the number one position in their respective markets. So, unless you have specific information that proves to the contrary, I would suggest it is YOU who owes an apology.
     
  23. Gilles27

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    Congratulations on your successes in marketing. For someone in the business I would expect more professional behavior. It's your opinion that the shirts are unattractive, but if you knew the F1 merchandise market as well as whatever it is you do know about, then you would realize how inaccurate your "precept of value" statement was. Limited Official Ferrari pieces from the team are extremely collectible and valuable. I suggest you read Jack Habit's commens in this thread about the sales for such items the last several years.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101080

    And if they're not to your taste, then that's fine. To each their own. But you have taken it upon yourself to label them hideous, appealing only to Eurotrash types. I assume when a client walks into your office asking you to promote something that isn't to your high standards you handle it a little more diplomatically than "Yeah, I'll be able to hawk these to the Eurotrash folks out there."

    I'm sure you're very good at whatever it is you do. But accept that there are markets out there for which you may not quite have your finger on the pulse.
     
  24. SefacHotRodder

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    Morry, well said.

    To everyone else who is making posts here complaining, I think the saying that applies here is "If you don't have anything good to say, SHUT UP!"

    Morry does what he does very well, he doesn't need to explain his reasoning to anyone. We all have different opinions, and as we all know, there is no right opinion. Because there is no right opinion, there is no point to this arguing, nobody wins


    Also, for those mentioning "replica" shirts: Have you ever seen a replica 355? Could you tell? Of course. Have you ever seen a fake Rolex? Could you tell? I can and so can everyone else who can afford one. You're not fooling anyone wearing replica team wear. Simple as that




    Chris
     
  25. CollectorMorry

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    Tom. First let me translate what you wrote so that others can understand it in proper English. I have corrected the various mistakes in brackets.

    "Your preception (PERCEPTION) of value is unfortunaltely (UNFORTUNATELY) skewed. Low supply coupled with low demand does not equal value. (Nobody wants a hideous shirt no matter how rare). Of course you can probaly (PROBABLY) sell of (OFF A) few to the Eurotrash types in Montreal during the F1 weekend."

    It's funny that you don't think your comments are insulting to me or others in the Ferrari community. First your assumption of "low demand" is preposterous. As I mentioned earlier - 8 of these shirts sold in the first day of my postings (about US$2640 worth). 2 more have sold since your little rant began *Many Thanks ;-) Calling the shirt "hideous" is not insulting to me, as I am not the designer. But it is challenging to those forum members that have bought them. And "EuroTrash" is a loaded and condescending term. Many uninformed consider Ferrari drivers to be Euro Trash, as well as the cars themselves.

    Don't you feel silly now?

    I have no beef with you. You have the right to express your feelings. But you don't have the right to be an arse to other members of this community.
     

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