2X Fatal TR wreck in Agura Hills CA.

Which FCer was it?

 

I'm no expert, but it seems to me that if a mid- or rear-engined car stops suddenly at high speed (e.g., collision) it might actually be safer for the back of the car to break off and keep going rather than stay intact and perhaps further injure the occupant(s).

Not even my .02 - just a thought.

PS: What happens to a Porsche in such a situation?

 

What I don't like about the reporting is that I still have no idea what actually happened motion/impact-wise that caused this accident to be unsurvivable (in a reasonably-rugged closed belinetta equipped with belt restraints).

 

Did you look at the pictures?

Looks like a very high speed flip over. Hard enough to survive if buckled up, but who says they were.

 

I am not trying to be funny, rude or blow the horn for Porsche, but the cars REALLY hold together amazingly well. Very rigid design, like a Mercedes. If you read there has been lots of concern about occupant protection concerns on Ferrari brand. I hate to say it, cause it sounds bad, but I question how much time Ferrari spends on occupant safety. I think Ferrari cars sell SO well on there own, and the buyers concerns are not strong enough. Until these factors change, don't think they will, unless it is an Enzo, safety takes a back seat. Could you imagine if a high percentage of people where killed in Lexus car accidents what that would do to there sales. I have seen several pic's of Enzo crashes, and the occupant cage holds up extremely well, my guess is Ferrari invested some time and money into achieving this.

 

Not too hijack this, but if people drove lexus' at triple digit speeds on tight roads you'd have a lot more fatal accidents. I don't think it's quite a fair comparison, though I acknowledge that the safety factors are probably different.

My best to the families, this is truly tragic.

 

I tend to agree.

I think it is a numbers game: There are a lot more Porsches out there and so there is more feedback coming back to the engineers about accidents. Also Porsche (and everybody else) destroys more cars in crash tests than Ferrari does.

I'm no P fan, but have to say I'm not impressed with what I see from various Ferrari crashes: The cars break apart and/or burn to the ground. I'd say there is a lot of room for improvement.

OTOH some accidents are simply not survivable, even if the survival cell remains intact. The forces on the passengers killed them before the vehicle came to rest. Not sure that's what happened in this case, but it is true for other cases.

 

This pretty much describes what happened.
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=135817660&postcount=69

Between losing control and hitting a pole at high speed and then crashing into a large boulder and flipping over, they would have been killed in most any car.(of this year anyway)

 

not to be pest, but can somome plz post the FC'ers user name?

 

Surely you don't truly think the outcome would have been any different if a Porsche had been involved? If you end up inverted after a high speed off, with trees and boulders in the mix, I don't care what you're driving, you're probably cooked.

Gary

 

I think that the discussion of safety factors (or lack thereof) in F cars is important, but the main point here is that this happened on a public street in the middle of the afternoon. Most likely if these guys had not been driving like A-holes on public streets (yes, I realize no one knows what exactly happened here but I am willing to bet that substantial speeding was involved) they wouldn't be dead/wrecked. Save the triple digit speed for the track where it belongs, not a 35 or 45 mph public road. I'm sorry they are now deceased and condolences to their families and friends.

 

the same

but is not the engine position the problem is the speed
this Alfa crashed at 120 mph
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I didn't find their names in FChat's members list. Neither. That's based on the names revealed on the tape.

 

I have to totally agree with this post, but will add that I believe german cars have always been over engineered and very rigid. I do I have to agree that I have seen three Enzo crashes, were the car was traveling triple digits, and the passenger compartment remained intact. I also agree that once the car goes airborne or flips real bad it is going to be ugly Lexus or Ferrari.

 

sorry to see this happen. my condolences to the faimlies

no offense to the faimlies, i do not know what happend in this particular case. i worked at a firm yrs ago that had a dept. that designed roads, the enginers would design the roads for specific speeds. now the city would determine thier own speed based on traffic flow, but in 99% of the case the speed limit was about 10~15 under the designed speed. given all that, it is foolish to think your high performance exotic can voilate the laws of physics. the road was engineered for a specific speed and if you push it, it will get you. going tripple digits on a road not designed for it is asking for an obit.

 

Condolences to friends and family.

Having said that, isn't this why there are track days? Absolutely no excuse for this behavior on the street.

What would have happened if he ran into a minivan full of kids?

As a police officer, most likely having directly witnessed accidents, one would think the officer involved would have known better.....

 

Thats a tough 1 to survive.

I think part of the reason the cars split is becus they are designed to do so to absorb impact.

Ever see an Indy Car it the wall ? The car explodes which is important in absorbing impact.

To be fair to F even an MB is designed to survive 1 bad impact, if the crumple space has already been crumpled theres not much left to absorb MORE impact