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  1. jim94-348

    jim94-348 Formula Junior
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    My 348 has a problem with the speedometer not being correct. I guess this is pretty common but it is really annoying. I checked it with my GPS and it varies from being off a few mph at 30 mph to being about 12 mph off at 70. Since it isn't linear it makes me think it may be the tires. They were on it when I bought it so I don't know if they are the right size.

    Here are the tires I have:
    BF Goodrich G Force Super Sports
    Front- 215/ 50RZ17 91W
    Rear- 255/ 45RZ17 98W

    Are these the correct size and what can I do to fix it?
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

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    A quick google of "tire rack"->select by model->Ferrari->348->1993 indicates the presented data are right.
     
  3. jim94-348

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    Should I change the sender? I read a bunch of the previous posts and they all seemed to discuss that they weren't working at all. Mine works but it is just off.
     
  4. plugzit

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    Coupla possibilities:
    1. The speedo is just optimistic.
    2. More likely the trans has been changed to one with the higher ratio drop gears (I did this to my car), therefore the revolutions the sensor counts are changed. Not much you can do short of changing the speedo to one that matches. So, you gotta decide if you care that much.
     
  5. ferrari 512 tr

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    how far off is the speedo on my 348?
    im running 360 modena wheels
     
  6. jim94-348

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    Thanks Bruce. I just read some old posts on changing the ratios and the math works out perfectly. I assumed they changed 5th from the standard 4.34 to 3.53 which is a ratio of .813364 and works out almost perfectly to what I am seeing on the speedo. Now the real question. It drives me crazy trying to drive around when it is so far off. Does anyone make anything to correct this? I work in factory automation and I can do it with a PLC to correct but I don't want to add a big box in the engine compartment to do such a simple conversion. I just wish they used the old gear type speedos that I could just change them out.
     
  7. LouB747

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    Would this mean your speedo only reads incorrectly while in 5th gear? If you downshift to 4th, is the speedo correct? My speedo is also wrong. A few MPH at low speeds and increases with speed. 1994 Spider. Been living with it although it does bother me. Is my ODO also incorrect? Hate to show miles I'm not actually driving! Lou
     
  8. plugzit

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    Gear selection wouldn't affect speedo error.
     
  9. jim94-348

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    I'll have to check that but it does seem to be closer at lower speed which would be a different gear.
     
  10. jim94-348

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    What does the sender pick up off of? I assume that it is just a prox switch and sends a pulse at whatever frequency it sees from the gear it is close to. Is this correct, does anyone know if it send a frequency or voltage signal back to the speedometer? I know this is a common problem and there has to be some way to correct it even if I need to come up with some scaling device in between the pick up and whatever it sends it to?
     
  11. plugzit

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    Picks up off the end of the layshaft, so independent of gear selection, only final drive. It's a hall effect sensor with 4(?) voids on the wheel.
     
  12. jim94-348

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    That means that it is missing pulses since it is running slow. If it has 5 voids and is missing one it would be .8 x the speed and that is what I am seeing. I looked at previous posts and I saw where it is located but haven't tried to play with it. I'll do it this weekend. Is there any height adjustment on it? I would think if is missing pulses that it might just need to move in a bit?
     
  13. Rob'Z

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    It will never be linear (reading 20 at 10 and 100 at 90) unless the needle is out of position. It will be off by a percentage and the actual difference will be greater the higher the speed. You can calculate the actual mileage on your car by multiplying by .95 or whatever your variation is. Although it's all relative, your engine, gearbox and wheel bearings are the only things that wear relative to miles driven. If you change your final drive from a 3.23 to a 4.10 and recalibrate your speedo to compensate your cumulative engine RPM is still greater with the new gears. Does this make sense?

    There is a device commonly used in the sportbike community (gear/sprocket changes are very common) called the Speedo Healer. It's a small electronic box that alters the signal to the speedo/odometer. It may work on our cars.


    Rob
     
  14. eulk328

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    I would think a speedo would be off a certain percentage. So at higher speeds it would make sense that it's off "more mph." Does not seem like it's non-linear to me. It should just follow the percentage.

    Speedometers in cars sold in the U.S. are permitted to read up to 10% high (fast) but never lower than actual speed.


     
  15. jim94-348

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    #15 jim94-348, Nov 5, 2010
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    That is what I was referring to with the .8 x speed or 80% of actual. If you see 4 out of 5 voids you should see 80% of what the actual speed is. It should be a percentage of the speed or

    (x pulses per rev of the shaft/ sec) x (the circumference of the rear wheels/rev of the tire))= mph after scaling. With a hall effect sensor, if it can be adjusted closer it might not miss as many pulses. It either has to be that or that the frequency counter in the electronics is off and it doesn't count correctly or am I missing something?
     
  16. jim94-348

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    Rob, I just checked out the SpeedoHealer and this looks perfect. I am going to run a few tests to see if my car stays a consistent percentage off at different speeds and if it does I will order one and let everyone know how it works out. Here is the site if anyone else is interested http://www.healtech-electronics.com/
     
  17. Rob'Z

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    Glad I could help (maybe).
     
  18. jim94-348

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    Just got off the phone with the company that makes SpeedoDRD. They sound like a better fit and are anxious to help. The other guys are out of Hungary so any support would be minimal. The guys at SpeedoDRD have already recommended a product and sent me the wiring diagram so it may work. I'll keep you informed.
     
  19. Rob'Z

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    Sounds good, I was getting ready to order one to try on my F355. Let us know if it works.

    Rob
     
  20. plugzit

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    I need one of these too. But then I couldn't go around saying "I saw 200mph today".
     
  21. jim94-348

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    You mean all this time I haven't been going 0-60 in 2.8 seconds?
     
  22. jim94-348

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    Does anyone know if the speedometer receives a variable frequency or is it a variable voltage from the ECU? The device I found adjusts the frequency but not the voltage so I need to clarify this one point before I order. If anyone has the info it will save me from tearing apart the dash to verify it.
     
  23. porphy

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    I will speculate on variable frequency. I can tune my radio to a dead spot and turn the volume up high and hear the sender output. My speedometer is accurate but intermittent and the tone frequency is proportional to the speed. Mine stops from time to time and the tone stops. I guess I need a new sender?
     
  24. jim94-348

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    I have the unit on order that I think will correct the speed issue. I'll let everyone know if I have success and try to do a write up of how to do it for everyone with pictures.

    I need help with a wiring schematic of the speedometer if anyone has one. I need to splice the wire that has the feedback to the speedometer. If anyone knows which wire it is or where I can get the drawing it will make this much easier. I'm sure I can figure it out but it would be helpful know which one it is going in.

    One other thing. Is there a link to removing the instrument cluster? I did a search but couldn't find anything.
     
  25. Rob'Z

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    The instrument pod is very easy to remove, only two screws IIRC.


    Rob
     

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