Series 1 GT4 on Ebay

The guy selling it didn't know it is a series 1 car. I verified that fact by the vin.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-308-GT4-308-Dino-All-Original-With-Less-Then-10000-Miles_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6212QQihZ006QQitemZ160042021443QQrdZ1
Missing a few things, (like the rear seats), leather pouch, trunk carpet, etc.
You see the asking price?

Thought you all might want to see.

 

Looks OK. Wow, $38k. It's about time. It seems like prices for the other cars (boxer, tr, etc.) are heading on an upswing. Why not the GT4?

The rear parcel shelf was an option. Not very common though.

Dom

 

Look close and you'll see the seats were taken out and the shelf was made.

 

How can you tell? I've never seen the parcel shelf in person and haven't really payed attention to the very few pictures I've seen.
Also looks like overspray on the left side gas tank.

 

Rear seatbelts
No straps to hold the luggage
Carpet pieces are wrong
Rear deck piece wrong

Duct work for the oil cooler is missing also

 

I believe the mileage is dubious at best. And that is really unfortunate too, because otherwise it would (to me) be worth more. Honesty in this case could be worth a lot more than a low mileage figure.

First and most noticably; The bottom of the steering wheel shows far more time in someones hands, than a mere 9K miles would indicate.

Then, there is a red haze on the top of the driverside gas tank. Is that over-spray? Original paint? Well, maybe somewhere....

Parts of the frame, the oil-cooler box and air-cleaner box have all been obviouisly resprayed. And the air-cleaner box with the wrong paint! The smog equipment has been removed. And there is a clip that goes on the air-cleaner that is missing, in addition to the oil cooler hose which is also missing, and all of which I find very curious for a car that has less than 10K miles on it.

In fact a 9K mile car with ANY missing parts, should (IMHO) be looked at with great skepticism. Even when it's just the trunk carpets, tooks and jack. In a pigs eye!

sn #10334 also has the wrong bumpers, although I prefer this type. (ask me how I know , #10314) It also has an added spoiler. Are these the things you do to a potential show car with less than 10K miles? At less than 10K miles, it should be a concourse collectable and look near perfect.

To be otherwise means, it's been in some very questionable hands. And questionable hands are not above reproach when it comes to odometer readings.

At $38,000 I say, "Run Forrest... Run!"
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Don't know Dave, It looks correct to me inre the shelf. I don't see rear seat belts and I don't remember luggage straps on the GT4 - that's for the older cars. Carpet might have been redone, I'll give u that. And yeah, I saw the missing piece in the engine bay, lower left side - see gaping hole.

Looks gorgeous otherwise. Really like the boxer paint. Don't see any smog equipment either.

 

David those look like the bumpers covered under the Technical Revision issued in late 1975.

What is that spoiler all about?

 

There seems to be quite a few different rear window gasket treaments on all of the various GT4s I've looked at. One had a black rubber gasket, one had a hard black plastic gasket (or covering) two have had just metal painted black so it looks like a gasket (how the window is really sealed, I don't know) and this one appers to be metal painted body color. Did the factory try a few different ways of dealing with the rear window? Is there supposed to be a thin plastic surround that comes off in the paint shop never to be seen again?

 

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Anyone notice the fan blades? White blades?

 

I think the spoiler was also part of the late '75 revisions. I have one on mine (10524) as well
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Nylon replacements? Aren't they supposed to be black? Hmm, might be some special factory option along with weather stripping and sealants. Wow, whne Ferrari says custom, they mean custom!

 

Another thing:

It has the dreaded Michelin 390mm metric TRX tires from a later car Now that certainly is NOT original to a Series 1.

 

Amoung all the things you guys have mentioned already it's also missing the trunk script "Dino GT4". There are too many things wrong with that car that make the mileage questionable. Remember the speedo sensors were notorious for not working very well or very long. The seat leather looks worse in that car than mine did when it had 85000 miles! The front spoiler was a dealer installed option IIRC. The bumpers are definitly incorrect for the serial no. regards, Vern

 

Are you sure about the bumpers? They look similar to mine (#10688, series 1). Maybe pushed in? My car also has the spoiler. And the white fan blades. And the black seats with red piping, and the red carpet...

Definately agree about the miles. Also, definately missing smog equipment.

I do hope the prices are really on the upswing. If thisone brings $38k, imagine what a good one will bring...

Dom

 

Also noticed the ad says $10k of work done on the car recently to bring it to almost-new condition. What exactly do they mean by that. A paint job and some new carpeting maybe? I find it hard to believe that $10k and they would still be missing the vent hose to the oil cooler.

And what exactly do they mean by recently? Oil filter says 9-04 and lists mileage at 5424...

Dom

 

Not to start a pissing match but actually they are correct.

The Ferraari factory Technical Revision # 266/1, 266/2, 266/3, 266/4, & 266/5 dated 7-7-75 shows that bumper to be installed on unsold cars to meet bumper crash standards.

If you were judging a series 1 car at a show those bumpers would be correct.


For everybody else's info that spoiler is also a factory part. #0402848 which was covered in a seperate factory revision #266/7.

 

It strikes me as a decent "driver" that has been jazzed up with some paint and cosmetics to look to the untrained eye like a concourse car so they can try to get $38K for it, which is a pipe dream. The car is definitely (IMO) worth somewhere in the 20's, maybe even high 20's, but not 30's. For $38K this car would need to be a concourse level car, which we all know it ain't. That being said, it is decent looking and I would be proud to own it and drive it. I wish it had the back seats though. And where is the Ferrari or Dino script on the trunk?

Birdman

 

Rocco,
I just noticed the broken bezel on your car. How tough do you think that'll be to find? If you can't find it let me know I may know of one.

You never said, did you enjoy the wine I sent?

 

No, actually I meant on the outside of the car. What do you have?

 

Dave, that damage is pretty hard to see so I'm not too worried about it.
I have been drinking your wine, which I find very unique and interesting. Some of them are a bit rough around the edges, but with nice unusual varietal flavors and strong personalities. My favorite is the Montepulciano D'Abruzzo since it has a great balance of fruit, tannins and acidity.
I will order more soon...


Rocco

 

No pissin match intended dstacy(friendly discussion) but, we are spitting hairs here they were different out of the factory, you answered the question "all unsold cars" at the dealer. My car was 10376 and it had the bigger looking bumpers when I bought the car. I changed mine to slimmer end cap style that appears in the pics of that ebay car. I would bet all '75 US cars that left the factory had the uglier than those bumpers on them and the ones that were unsold by july would have been changed at the dealer. Which is the reason they are excepted in judging. True on the spoiler being factory but IIRC it was dealer installed not shipped from the factory on the car and not available until '76 model year I have seen several early cars('75) with this spoiler assuming added later by owners. My car also came with the Dino badge on the front not the Ferrari badge, some of those were changed by the dealer and some changed by owners on the early cars. Starting with '76 cars(series II) the factory put the Ferrari badge on the frt. Regards, Vern

 

Dom, My car also had the red carpet/piping black interior it was an extra cost option. Loved that look. Regards, Vern

 

Good, I'm with you some guys get a bit upset if you differ. Thanks.

You's win that bet easy. Very few people know that. I think you, Alex, and I are the only ones here who do.

Also 100% correct. All of those type spoilers were US dealer installed.

The factory tech revision says the dealer was supposed to remove the Dino badge and fill in the sheet metal with filler then place the Ferrari badge. I've seen series 1 cars with Dino badges, Ferrari badges, and can you believe I've seen cars with both badges on the front?

My car, thankfully, has the correct Dino badge.
I have the prancing horse horn button but do have an original Dino horn button as a back up.