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  1. BIG_DJE

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    #1 BIG_DJE, Dec 6, 2007
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    Ferrari's clients get a nice surprise at the Bologna Motor Show, with the announcement that all Ferrari models from 2008 will be fitted with Brembo brakes along with carbon ceramic material (CCM) brake disks. Not only is Ferrari the world's first car manufacturer to offer such an expensive option as standard but was also the first to introduce the technology five years ago on the Enzo. With over 85% of orders on certain models including CCM brakes, Ferrari though it was appropriate to offer it range wide, but additionally to cross publicize this year's Formula 1 double world championship.

    From the press release, “Brakes featuring CCM discs offer much more responsive braking as well as consistently excellent performance in intensive use. One of the most obvious advantages to adopting them is their exceptional fade resistance – fade in fact compromises the driver’s feeling of control when it comes to the pressure required on the brake pedal and responsiveness.”

    “The CCM discs have a longer life under normal conditions, a fact that has clear financial advantages. Furthermore, even with continual track use, CCM brakes offer greater resistance to wear for better durability on track. “

    “The CCM braking system also cuts around 15 kg off the car’s total weight which not only improves overall performance but also reduces unsprung mass and thus improves vehicle dynamics and ride comfort.“
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  2. ILuv4Res

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    #2 ILuv4Res, Dec 6, 2007
    So, if CC Brakes are now 'standard', does the base price MSRP of the car go up accordingly?

    I ordered a car and paid $17k+ for my CC brakes, and if next year they are standard equipment at the same base MSRP, I will be EXTREMELY PISSED OFF!!!!!
     
  3. RichardCH

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    #3 RichardCH, Dec 6, 2007
    List goes up by about 15K don't worry
     
  4. amenasce

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    #4 amenasce, Dec 6, 2007
    Nice surprise indeed...lol.
     
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    #5 Tarek K., Dec 6, 2007
    +1............IMO, CC brakes must be standard on any fast car.
     
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    #6 ferrari_jjc, Dec 6, 2007
    I agree.
     
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    #7 racerdj, Dec 6, 2007
    Ferrari......raising the bar again!
     
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    #8 vvvmd, Dec 6, 2007


    How long has Porsche had ceramic brakes?
     
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    #9 hardtop, Dec 6, 2007
    This is a back door way for Ferrari to raise prices 5-8%, especially on 430's. The increase in gross profit is probably at least 10% for cars with cc brakes. Smart business move IMO although I think this makes the price of a typical F1 coupe well over 200K USD. That may make some buyers balk and shorten the wait time, at least in the US.

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    #10 410SA, Dec 6, 2007
    Porsche has never offered CCB's as standard equipment across their range. The only Porsche that I am aware of that had CCB's as standard equipment was the CGT
     
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    #11 Derek at FoD, Dec 6, 2007

    Bingo!
     
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    #12 250californiafan, Dec 6, 2007
    I think that the 996 GT2 also had them as standard equipment.
     
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    #13 BritBlaster, Dec 6, 2007
    Indeed. Ignoring R&D, the cost to Ferrari of adding CCM brakes is, my guess, around $5k per. Charging $17k is a nice fat extra helping of gravy (esp important in the US, where the US$ sinks to new lows). If Porsche can offer ceramic brakes for $8k (and you know there's a nice fat profit-margin whenever Porsche prices are concerned) -- well, just think how much juice Ferrari are getting by charging over twice that.

    And, I think we'd be extremely lucky for prices to only go up 8% as a result of this.
     
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    #14 Finitele, Dec 6, 2007
    Do you really think that Ferrari is discounting the new products?
    I'll think the future will be very happy for you if it turns out that $17k is cheaper than if the car prices increses to $25k, $30k, ... or ?
     
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    #15 mw575, Dec 6, 2007
    the '08 430 BASE price with the ceramic's as standard is $205,800.
    Option prices not out yet.
     
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    #16 hardtop, Dec 6, 2007
    Is that for a F1 coupe including destination and gas guzzler?

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    #17 Derek at FoD, Dec 7, 2007
    Dave,

    Base price for '08 F430;

    6spd manual - $191,775

    F1 - $203,904

    6spd Spider - $222,160

    F1 Spider - $233,297

    All prices include GG tax, dealer prep and transportation.
     
  18. BIG_DJE

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    #18 BIG_DJE, Dec 7, 2007
    I always thought the Spider was $10K more then the coupe. $30K is a big diff, maybe Ferrari raised the price point.
     
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    #19 hardtop, Dec 7, 2007
    Derek,
    Do those prices include cc brakes? My manual '05 had a base of 170,045. Adding cc brakes would have made it 185,409. before other options. That's only 6366. less than the 08 number above.

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    #20 vvvmd, Dec 7, 2007
    Does anybody know if th $25K in options is on top of the brakes and inrease in MSRP?
     
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    #21 Derek at FoD, Dec 7, 2007
    Dave,

    Yes, these quotes include the ceramic brakes. Base MSRP on the '06 F430 did not increase but the cost of options did, the ceramics were $15,364 in 2005 and increased to $16,808 in 2006. Also of note, GG tax on your '05 F430 was $4,500, it has since decreased to $3,000.
     
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    #22 Derek at FoD, Dec 7, 2007
    The F430 Spider has always had a premium of approximately 15% vs the Coupe.
     
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    #23 lapeter, Dec 7, 2007
    My 2007 spider (three pedals) base was $206,063 including GG tax, prep and shipping. The same 2008 spider has increased 16K. What a coincidence, that's the price of CC brakes.
    Al

     
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    #24 Derek at FoD, Dec 7, 2007
    Welcome to the conversation, Al :)
     

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