BRAWN/Diffusers: "I Offered To Tidy Up Rules, Got Rejected"

+1000! No question about Brawn's genius. He brings the best out of everyone.


Go Jenson!

 

Brawn is the most intelligent team principal in F1, I believe it unfolded exactly as he said.

 

Brawn GP deserves the wins they are getting and most likely both titles. My only hope is that Ferrari's 20million euro redesign makes the car competitive enough to fight for wins later in the season.

 

Varsha pointed our something that highlights the ridiculous knots that F1 is tying itself up with. The $20 million redesign for a simple diffuser is nearly the same as the TOTAL $30 million annual budget that Mosley wants F1 teams to adhere to starting next season. Needless to say, somethings got to give....

 

RB is THE MAN!.....

He made his offer about a year back, and goes public just a week before the hearing - Man, he's good!

Can anyone *imagine* the *howls* herein if it were, just for example, MW saying the same thing?

Cheers,
Ian

 

Someone remind me again why he's not the team principal at Ferrari right now...

 

Because he's neither Italian nor LdM's lap dog...

 

Interesting comment. Let the others catch up. Seriously, if this was Ferrari or McLaren people would be saying things like 'They have the benefit of greater resources and manpower to discover and exploit grey areas like this.' When it's Brawn, it's cheating.

 

Huh?.......

 

Brawn is a genius and I have the highest respect for him as he is the most knowledgeable person on F1 in the world.

 

I think he is saying that people who claim Brawn are cheating are the same people who would call it "better exploitation of the rules through better resources" if Ferrari had done it.



I think there is ZERO change that the diffuser teams are going to be told to stop running them. I also think giving the other teams something else to let them catch up would be a very bad idea. Either it's kosher or it's not. By the letter of the law, it is kosher. Ok, so then the other teams need to ante up and match it.

If it would cost $20mm for Ferrari to replicate it, then surely it would also cost Brawn $20mm to eliminate it.

This season has been great so far. The change to the pecking order is fantastic, and I think TV viewership is probably higher than ever. This season so far has been a great success with all the additional passing, and there is no way the FIA is going to eliminate what is probably the biggest reason for a lot of the success of this season so far - the diffusers - especially not at the expense of dealing a blow to Williams, Toyota and Brawn that they can't afford.

It will be ruled legal and that will be that - mark my words. Then the other teams will bellyache about it and then they will implement it shortly after (no doubt they are already working on it), and the field will get even closer, which will be even better.

 

Guys it's not just the difuser that has made the Brawn car fast, it is the fact that this car was started well before any other car and thus was finished first, probably had the most testing, etc.

Brawn was the new boy with Honda and thus was not interested in their current car (which was a piece of ****) and thus would have directed his teams into the new car.

This always happens and Ferrari have done this in the past when they gave up on poor designs (which is what they should again do this year).

Pete

 

Wow! Whatever happened to patience?........

We're 1 1/2 races into a 17 race season and you want to throw in the towel?

A rough calculation shows a team could score a maximum of just over 300 WCC points this year (Slightly less due to 1/2 points this past weekend)

They've awarded a maximum of 27 of those so far. (Per team)

So, with roughly 92% of the season points still available I think it's *way* too early to quit - In racing (false?) hope springs eternal don't forget.

They'll get there - Doubt they'll win it all, but I certainly don't want to see 'em doing a Honda - going out in Q1 saying "we're concentrating on next year" (At least until we've had a few Euro races at least)

Cheers,
Ian

 

I meant it's a double standard. When Brawn introduces a design that takes advantage of grey areas in the rules, there's an uproar that it's out of bounds an should be banned. Had it been a Ferrari or Mac, the thinking is typically different.

 

Actually that's my son, who's almost 3 now. The new avatar is Avery. Thanks!

 

OK. I hear what you're saying, but honestly believe the uproar would have been the same had you permed any 3 of 10 in this case - If just one of 'em had come up with it it would have been banned by now [Mass dampers anyone?]

What's starting to worry me is if the 7 can "gang up" on the 3 in the hearing and get it declared illegal - I'm pretty sure they're not going to mess with the results so far, but it would suck big time if Brawn et al have to redesign *their* cars.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

+1.

And I think the $20M quoted for the redesign is a total smoke screen. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams show up with modified diffusers even before they get back to Europe. Then look for Red Bull to move up -- they're already fast without the trick diffuser.

- Eric

 

From some stuff I have read, BrawnGP is the one that is closest to the regs of the 3 teams in question. We don't know if all or any of those teams will have their diffusers declared legal or illegal. Remember, they are running 3 different diffusers. One team's diffuser could be declared illegal while the other are not.

Either way, I'm not worried about it. Brawn's cars performance is due to it's whole aero package, not just the rear diffuser as we have seen by Barichello's performance the Australian GP when he had damage to his front wing and a destroyed rear diffuser.

 

agreed

 

Interesting - Source please? "closest to the regs" could be taken either way: Closest *inside* 'em or closest outside......

+1

OTOH, these 3 have been pretty heavily "singled out" - They've done *something* nobody else thought of.

+1

I just hope they're all found to be legal - Toyota could probably do a quick redesign, but Williams and the Flyer I'm not so sure about. What's especially galling to me is Ross *told* em a year back!

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Cheers,
Ian

 

My understanding is that of all the cars the Red Bull would need the biggest redesign to accept one of the double diffusers, due to their rear suspension design.

 

Problem is that now that the season has started there's no track testing allowed other than the Friday before the race. Computer sims can only go so far (ask McL who have a world beater according to their computer) and such a radical design change would need real world data.