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  1. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 tazandjan, Nov 9, 2009
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    I am still seeing and hearing from 575M owners who are wasting money on three year cam belt changes. In early 2002, at Assembly No. 43847, Ferrari changed to a new belt for the 575M, and that belt was carried over to both the 575 Superamerica and 612. Change interval for cam belts was extended to five years upon introduction of the new belts. The 575M, 575 SA, and 612 all have essentially the same engine except for ECU changes and, on the 612, manifolding changes. The blocks, pistons, rods, heads, valves, cams, and cam drives are identical. Here are the new belts showing applications.

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=209505

    Note the same updated belt is also used on the 456/M and 550, but Ferrari's recommended change interval for those cars remains at three years. For whatever reason, I have no idea. 456/M and 550 owners use your own judgement.


    Ferrari wrote all the technical data for the 575M, including Owner's Manuals, Warranty books, and Workshop Manuals before the new belts were introduced and never changed the manuals except for issuing Technical Bulletins. As an example, the OM was written using Serial Number 125381, approximately Assembly No. 431XX, well before the new belts were introduced. I have 2002 and 2005 OMs, and there is virtually no change between the two except for some warnings on alcohol in fuel in the later version. Finally, for the 575 SA, they changed the manuals and show the five year belt change interval, as they did for the 612 introduced the same year (2005).

    Here is the Technical Bulletin reiterating the change after the initial bulletin in October 2002. I have included both jpeg and pdf formats so you can print a copy for your technicians. This change affected all 575Ms, not just the US versions.

    So, unless you have leakage from your valve covers or other visual inspection problems with the belts or drive component bearings, you do not need to change your 575M belts more often than once every five years. Over a ten year period, this should save you at least one belt change, if you go by the book on maintenence.

    Mileage interval remains at 30,000 miles or 50,000 kms (31,068 miles), if you put that much mileage on in less than five years.

    Taz
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  2. alex550575430

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    #2 alex550575430, Nov 9, 2009
    Terry,

    Thanks for your post came just in time. I just took my 575M in last night for a major belt service. 03 new car, changed once at end of 06, and now at end 09. I was scheduled to do it this week. Anyhow, I will take your advice, and will have the technician inspect the car for leaks and damages. If nothing goes wrong, will go another year or two.

    p.s. I drive my car often and fast... Will that shorten the major service time interval???


    Alex
     
  3. jay575

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    #3 jay575, Nov 9, 2009
    Taz

    I found out my 575m was serviced by Ferrari dealer in Scottsdale in late 2007 and the belts and bearings were changed at that time. Between that time and when I bought it in July 2009, there was only 500 miles put on it by the dealer. I've put on 1000 since July. I see no leaks or noises anywhere and things are running perfectly right now.

    What I'm wondering is if I should just wait for about 5 years to do the belts or does just letting a vehicle sit there with very low mileage affect anything about these belts?

    Jay
     
  4. tazandjan

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    #4 tazandjan, Nov 9, 2009
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    Alex- 5 years or 30,000 miles (50,000 kms), whichever comes first. Will edit my post to reflect.

    Taz
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  5. tazandjan

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    #5 tazandjan, Nov 9, 2009
    Jay- You should be fine for the five years.

    Taz
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  6. Sfumato

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    #6 Sfumato, Nov 9, 2009
    If you use them, you can get 5 out of a 550/360/earlier cars. Get them inspected, but 3 is excessive. I've done them q 5yr and they did fine, but you have to use the car. If it is a garage queen, ymmv. Nice to see FNA acknowledging this.
     
  7. tazandjan

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    #7 tazandjan, Nov 9, 2009
    Lee- Welcome back.

    Taz
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  8. wbklink

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    #8 wbklink, Nov 9, 2009
    I just got back from Vegas and stopped by at the Ferrari dealer to say hi. when we started talking about next service they said the same thing. the Major was done in march of this year they said the new belts would be good for 5 years not 3 ...and I do drive it have 2k on it already and got it at the end of August.
    so once again Taz is right.
     
  9. alex550575430

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    #9 alex550575430, Nov 9, 2009


    Thanks Terry, New car back in 03, 13K miles belt changed in Dec.06, and now Nov. 09 at 25K miles... I am well covered.

    Alex
     
  10. 101010

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    #10 101010, Nov 10, 2009
    I like how measuring in km allows one to get an extra 1068.5 miles out of the belts. Just goes to show the superiority of the metric system.

    :D
     
  11. dakharris

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    #11 dakharris, Nov 10, 2009
    The belts are the same. There is no logical reason that they would deteriorate any faster on a 550 than on a 575. If I own my car four years from now, it will have the same belts.
     
  12. dromer

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    #12 dromer, Nov 10, 2009
    This is what makes F chat so valuable.

    Just went back and looked at the last major service and there it was. big and bold. part # 187744 !!
     
  13. Tifoso Ferrari

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    #13 Tifoso Ferrari, Nov 12, 2009
    I own assembly #55782, a 2005 575M with 19k miles, ie, not a garage queen.

    THANK GOD I CHANGED MY BELT AFTER 3 YEARS!

    Upon doing its 30k service, when the technician removed the belt, there was a nice little crack in the side of the rubber. Had the belt not been changed, it would have be a DISASTER.

    Consequently, I'm on the 3yr program. Others can do as they please.
     
  14. tazandjan

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    #14 tazandjan, Nov 12, 2009
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    TF- Very unusual, but overservicing will not hurt the car, so have at it. If I had seen that, I would be spooked, too. Luckily, a pure belt change is not very expensive on a 575M. The one done on my car by Bobileff before I bought it was only $1200 labor. I change my transmission oil every year instead of the recommended interval (2 years), so I am guilty as well.

    Assembly No. 55782 equates to serial number 138XXX, an early 2005. Pass me your SN and whether you have an F1 shifter and FHP/HGTC or not, and I will add you to the FChat 575 database. More data, like colors, build date and options will make you Carbon's friend forever. Photos are even better.

    My purpose for this thread was to let 575M owners know the Ferrari recommended interval for belt changes is five years, not three. If an owner still elects to change his belts at three year intervals for added insurance, at least he does it from an educated position.

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  15. tajaro

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    #15 tajaro, Nov 13, 2009
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    Taz you continue to help us improve our relationships with our cars... I concur on the 5 year interval even without the new belts/bearings. Look at mine after 10 years- I almost couldn't tell them from the brand new ones- I kept them and have to remember they are the old ones or someone might try to reinstall... Thanks for keeping the topic going-

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  16. scycle2020

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    #16 scycle2020, Nov 13, 2009
    Like I always say, what does Ferrari make these Belts with, rubber bands??? And the fact that the belt will fall apart in 3 years, even with in climate controlled garage is a joke...On second thought rubber bands would last longer...or just maybe this helps F car dealers stay profitable with a very low volumn product.....
     
  17. kosmo

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    #17 kosmo, Nov 13, 2009
    my mechanic said that i can wait 4-5yr to change a belt on the 456m.tks
     
  18. scott40

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    #18 scott40, Nov 13, 2009
    would the same apply to the 360, and CS?
     
  19. tazandjan

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    #19 tazandjan, Nov 13, 2009
    Scott- Recommended change interval remained at three years for the eight cylinders throughout production. The 575M/SA/612 belts are different from the eight cylinder belts.

    Taz
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  20. Dave 456

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    #20 Dave 456, Nov 14, 2009
    Thanks for posting the information Terry. I can't think why the 456 & 550 would be excluded from the 5yr change period - the belt and pulley part numbers are the same. It might have been that the 575 has hydraulic tappets, but so does the 550. Maybe the 575 (& up) have better protection against FOD or maybe, lower under bonnet (sorry hood!) temperatures. Or it just might be that Ferrari don't have the earlier cars on their screen anymore..
     
  21. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #21 tazandjan, Nov 14, 2009
    Dave- Makes no sense to me either. Same parts, different schedule? Who knows? This thread was just to educate folks, because it appears most shops do not know about the change. Especially since the printed documents like the OM and WSM still said three years at end of production in 2005. Only the tech bulletins noted the change, and it takes a pretty good shop to remember all those bulletins. Especially since they had them for a bunch of different models.

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  22. jznd

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    #22 jznd, May 24, 2011
    Reviving an old thread, just to say thank you again to the resident gurus.

    I dropped my car off at the authorized dealer to sort out the SDECU issue; service manager notes that it's been 3 years since the cambelt was last changed....would I like him to replace the cambelt at the same time?

    So I get on my iphone, pull up this thread and download a copy of the service bulletin, and ask the service manager to pull up the service history. New-style 5-yr cambelt #187744 shows up, installed September 2008 after the service bulletin was issued. Bingo, I've just saved myself an unnecessary belt change. Nice!
     

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