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  1. dino286

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    #1 dino286, Aug 18, 2010
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    Somewhere in the mid-sixties somebody gave me this badge in blue-yellow. See picture.
    It seems that Lorenzo Bandini is the only (?) person who had this badge on his race-overall. Beneath it he had a badge of the Italian flag. Very often but not always. The latest picture I could find is from the Archive Bernard Cahier.
    http://www.f1-photo.com/Search/Bandini/p1x16#/Search/Bandini/P2x16
    Enclosed another picture which shows the colours. Found on internet.

    Is there somebody who knows more about this badge?
    And why Lorenzo Bandini was the only one who wore it?
    Often but not always. But still in 1966 too.

    I met Bandini in 1963 in Spa-Francorchamps.
    At that moment he was leaving the pits in his (?) 250GT Coupé. I could stop him to ask a autograph (which I don’t have anymore). There was a Ferrari badge on the dashboard which I wanted to have of course. It seemed to be fixed and therefore he took his own jacket from behind the seat which had also the same badge (I can remember very well the beige colour of his jacket). He took it off and gave it to me.
    From this moment he was my favourite driver (not very logical but I was only 18 years then). A picture of this badge/pin is also enclosed. Perhaps you can imagine now why I like to know more about the badge in blue-yellow.

    Enclosed another picture which shows the colours. Found on internet.
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  2. wax

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    #2 wax, Aug 18, 2010
    The bottom emblem appears to be a cloisonne.
     
  3. dino286

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    #3 dino286, Aug 18, 2010
    Yes, it is. In reality the shield is only 0.6 inches.
    At least it is 47 years old.
     
  4. wax

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    Might it be a lapel pin?

    Just shooting ideas around . . .

    Given that Alonso recently had a special blue homage http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ferrari-offers-alonso-a-blue-t-shirt-20178.html

    I first sought out Bandini's birthplace, Libya, which was under Italian control. Ehh, no dice for blue there, unless you count the Libyan Naval flag.

    But, there has to be some connection to home, not just making a fashion statement. Again, just shooting ideas around . . . as there has to be a "why"

    Here is another b/w photo which shows more of his race-overall, and to me, a telling color photo of him with his wife, Margherita [née] Freddi who, judging by various other photos, apparently favored the color blue. While bearing in mind it was her Father who got the ball rolling for Bandini with an apprenticeship, perhaps this blue legend on a yellow field was for familial good luck.
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  5. trashidelek!

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    #5 trashidelek!, Aug 18, 2010
    The pin should say OMEA, Milano, V. Albani, 20 on the reverse and is of the type that Enzo Ferrari and other Ferrari notables often wore in the lapel of their jackets.
     
  6. the_stig

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    #6 the_stig, Aug 18, 2010
    I've seen that blue and yellow patch for sale within the last year.
     
  7. dino286

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    #7 dino286, Aug 19, 2010
    Indeed. I suppose it is a original (factory) one because Bandini had it on his jacket.
    As already said, it is more than 47 years old!!!
     
  8. BigTex

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    #8 BigTex, Aug 20, 2010
    That's a very interesting story of your encounter!
     
  9. dino286

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    #9 dino286, Nov 5, 2010
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    I found this picture on internet. (copyright www.pictchallenge-archives.net)
    (Search in Google Ferrari 330 P4)

    Le Mans 1967: Lorenzo Bandini died earlier that year.
    All the mechanics on car #24 have this same "strange" badge.
    The car was entered by Garage Francorchamps.

    Why this (Bandini) badge on the overalls? As a honor to him?
    My question remains: what is the origin of this badge?

    BTW: Lorenzo was born in Barce, Libya. I couldn't find the flag of this village.
    So the colors remain unknown.
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    #11 Napolis, Nov 5, 2010
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    A few thoughts.

    Yellow is the color of Modena and it's also the color of Belgium. In 1967 412P 0850 was damaged and sent to the Factory for repair. As the Factory couldn't get it ready in time for Le Mans they loaned the Belgium Privateer Francorchamps what for years many thought was P4 0858 so the badge could be a Francorchamps badge. The car the Factory lent Francorchamps wasn't 0858 but was in fact 0856 with 0858's chassis plate and 0856's engine restamped 0858. The restamping was done by sanding out the last digit and restamping the 6 with an 8. This chassis number/engine number swap was later reversed.

    My guess is that it's a Francorchamps badge.

    Cool item as is Bandini's helmet which unfortunately is too small for me.

    The yellow on the shield is for Modena.
     
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    #12 1974gt4, Nov 5, 2010
    Great story ! Neat neat neat.
     
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    #13 dino286, Nov 6, 2010
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    Yes, I'm now 65 and feel still the excitement that he (Lorenzo) gave me his pin from his own jacket. I never would forgive myself losing this pin which is now at least more than 47 years old. The "strange" badge I got in the late sixtees (1967?).

    Another story from that day. Next to the pits of Ferrari was an empty one in which Mrs. Surtees was sitting on the wall. She invited me to come in. We talked more than a half hour. I don't have a picture of this encounter because, in that time, I had an Agfa Clack. With the film I could only take 8 (or 12?) pictures.
    Three of pictures you will find enclosed (training 1963 GP Belgium Francorchamps).
    Me with Graham Hill, with John Surtees and the Ferrari of Willy Mairesse.

    Napolis wrote:
    My guess is that it's a Francorchamps badge.

    I don't think so because Bandini had nothing to do with Ecurie Francorchamps in the races he had that badge on his overall. But looking very well to the photograph, you can be right that Ecurie Francorchamps had a badge that on top was the same. Under the Cavallino Rampante there can perhaps be read the letters Ecurie Francorchamps.

    The question remains IMHO: what is the origin of the blue/yellow badge Bandini often had on his overall?
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    #15 ScuderiaRossa, May 18, 2011
    I've been to Milano many times but never realized that Bandini's grave was there. Will be sure to pay respects next time. Such a tragic story that has riveted me from an early age...

    Incredible anecdote, archival images—its posts like these that really reinforce my love and appreciation of the marque, and for the great wealth of knowledge this site contains.
     
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    #16 BigTex, May 18, 2011
    That is indeed a fitting and beautiful stone!!

    Thanks so much for posting those photos, and for the flower....
     
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    #18 dino286, May 18, 2011
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    Thank you so much for the warmhearted replies.
    I hesitated to post these pictures, but now I'm glad I did post them.

    And of course I was in Modena (and Maranello) too and visited Ferrari's grave.
    One of the pictures I took is enclosed.
    (The door of the grave is always closed.)

    I coudn't find a translation of:

    Ad maiora ultra vitam.
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  19. ScuderiaRossa

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    #19 ScuderiaRossa, May 18, 2011
    Ad maiora = exhortation to improvement
     
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    Onward to a better life?
     
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    #21 Jack-the-lad, May 18, 2011
    That is a very inpressive stone, and a very nice gesture on your part.

    Jack
     
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    #22 BigTex, May 18, 2011
    I agree that's really nice......
     
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    #23 oss117, May 18, 2011
    I would translate it as "To better or greater things after life" in this case.
     
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    #24 spirot, May 18, 2011
    I have an Autographed picture my mom got back in 1965 - 66 at Watkins Glen. He was apparently leaving the same restaurant my parents and their friends were eating at... and my Parents friends spoke italian and wished him good luck tomorrow and they spoke to him for 20 min! he then signed several autographs and took some pictures and gave them his address so they could send him a copy of the photo!!! which they did... when he died, they got a large envelope with a picture in a black border announcing his death. my dad still has that today.
     
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    #25 dino286, May 19, 2011
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    I could hardly hold back my emotions when I was at his grave.
    It was my wife who came with the idea to buy a rose.
    (My wife knows so very well what Lorenzo Bandini means for me.)
    A yellow one seemed most appropriate to me.

    Lorenzo Bandini is buried at the Cimitero Lambrate.
    Enclosed a Google Earth picture on which the exact place is indicated.
    The coordinates are clearly visible.

    Taking pictures is very difficult because of the trees that are surrounding his grave.
    I will go to Lambrate again when I visit Italy.
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