308/288 For Sale on E-bay N-S Engine??

Heck, if he'd been driving the whole time he was making that website about the car, he'd have enjoyed the car by now!

 

The engine was probably turned because it's a replica of the 288 GTO. If you half ass a replica, why start it in the first place? This one looks pretty damn good.

 

He mentions a G50 gearbox and custom adaptor (not cheap machine work there).

Is that the same as a Porsche G50 transmission?

 

That is one beautiful conversion! Would sure love to own it, but I'd be worried about how they have the engine mounted if it always manages to point North-South

 

Both web sites state that the engine was turned. The car looks great. I'd love to add it to the stable. Someone should buy it. I'd love to give it a run vs my 348 twin turbo. 509 rwhp! Yippee!

 

I sent an email asking roughly what he wants for it, but no reply. I was looking for a TT car when I got mine. I'd sell and rebuy that one... On second thought, I'd have two!!!

 

I've seen this car @ TWS a couple of years ago. Very sharp & well built, the owner drove the snot out of it on the track. A friend of mine might have a in-car video of it somewhere.

 

Yes

 

I know this car. It's been to my shop. One of our customers owns it. It's a pretty nice piece, beautiful car. Frankly, I would not mind having it myself. We did a valve job for the guy a year ago. It came in last for some Motec idle tuning and I have not seen it since "Dec 03".

I'm surprized it is for sale.

 

Anybody have a rough idea of what this car should bring?? I"m interested, but haven't heard back from the owner.
thanks,
Eric

 

With the market on race cars and customs like this as soft as it is, I would bet $75k would be pushing it.

You can buy 360 Challenge and GT3RS racers for under a $100k now.

Of course you couldn't build this car for less than $300k.

How I know? I was Project Manager for Norwoods in 88-91 when we were doing the P4 and GTO projects (the 288 was originally going to be an F40 conversion when they were not going to come stateside). WE never made a nickle and sold them for $350-$375k ea.

 

David,
Thanks for the info. BTW, roughly how much is it to Turbo charge a 308???
Thanks,
etip

 

Very impressive car and the best 308 to 288 conversion I have ever seen. That said, original costs near the value of a real GTO, though you have more HP now and probably better brakes, suspension and tuning possibilities. The value now would be much less than a real GTO.
Incorrect lights in the frontspoiler and wrong scuderia shields, when that is corrected it would be very hard to distinguish it from a real GTO.
Also, there is not a clear picture, but below the rear valance you would see the Porsche transmission, not the horse on the Ferrari one.

 

To do it right and switch to Motec, Piston's, Cams, OH engine, modify the CIS manifold for Electric Injectors, fabricating intercoolers etc, around $35-$50k depending upon components used including dyno work and R&R. These always seem to be more of "one offs" as they are never the same. I.E. some guys just want a little boost, some want tons. Francks car has tons of boost and the engine is setup nicely to handle it.

Franck's car really "Should" bring mid $100ks, but as I said the market is so very soft for other cars......who knows....but how many "NICE" 288 conversions are out there? Franck's is nice.So maybe it will bring twice as much????

 

Yes, me too. I'd love to own this car. Being a Ferrari shop owner and a Motec Dealer, and a Race Engineer............you could easily say..."It's my kind of car"

I own a Euro 308QVGTB that I love. I think it's the best of the 308s in look and performance. Just finishing up major OH work on the engine, trans, upholstery to dash, windshield, Dbl adjustable Moton shock conversion, 18" 360 wheel conversion, etc. etc and I still salivate over Franck's car.

d

 

Paul, ferrarichat member (TurboQV) had norwood do the full package last year including everything on the list 15psi, but single turbo. I think he said the bill was $24k and around 400rwhp I think. But a shop in Oz just did a bolt-on tt for a 355 and quoted the kit at $30-$35k

 

I have spoken to Franck Guilloteau about the car before. He indicated it is outrageously fast. He also tells me he's racing a spec Miata and really doesn't drive it much anymore.

Given the pics of the engine work on his site, I'd guess it will not be cheap to keep on the track/road.

Sure is tempting, isn't it!
Philip

 

Thats Correct Mark .

Makes more power on 103 octane though! What a difference. need to get to a dyno to see how much difference.

so far so good on the Norwood engine. Just a few annoying oil leaks but 1100 trouble free miles.

Kevlar clutch pulls nicely!!

The car is in Vegas if anyone wants to see it before they commit to getting major mods done to a 308.

 

By carefully looking at the pictures, and then overlaying an original GTO pic and this one in photoshop, I see that the wheelbase isn't stretched at all, probably because the Carpenter GTO panels are used, which are meant for a non stretch 308. Still the car looks perfekt in side profile, hope mine will look as good, eventually...

 

Well the car did not meet reserve - $75K is good money though... Still what's the point of having 509 hp on a street car, I don't know many folks that even come close to using the horsepower that comes with there stock Ferrari - so why do you need more horsepower?

BTW, if you had a car like that and never used it would you keep it as a garage ornament or sell like this guy is doing?

 

As Jame Patterson of Norwoods would say "horsepower is like a drug, once you have some, you end up wanting more and more....."
Seriously, jagbuff, you've got to be kidding. Ferrari's could use more power, especially the older ones. Just drive a stock 348, then a Norwood Turbo Charged 348, I think you'll agree, the Turbo fun factor is MUCH higher!

 

Don't forget that is 509 rwhp, so at the crank it's 509/.82= 621 or so. A 308 is way under powered for a propper sports car at 235 IMO. I've had mine at 235, 360 and now 520. At 360 it was really quite nice and well behaved. At 520 it is a bit hard to control in 1st or 2nd gear, so maybe it has a bit more than it needs now, atleast on the street. I think a hp:1 of about 7 is right for the street.

 

348 Turbo - Power can indeed be intoxicating (worst than alcohol) but for the most part, unless you track your car or you live in where there are no speed limits, high horsepower is pure an excercise in numbers (how high can I get on the dyno)...

I think that a lower powered well balanced car is more fun to drive at the limit than a monster that requires Schumacher's reflexes to use fully - not to say that the occasional squeeze of the throttle can't be fun...but..

BTW, if you never drove your car - would you sell it?