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365 GTC/4 SN 15811

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  1. PAUL BABER

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    #1 PAUL BABER, Sep 26, 2012
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    I have just been offered the original pouch for this car COMPLETE with ALL books in excellent condition.......Seller hasn't mentioned a price to me but have asked and await response.....More importantly, does anyone know this car and current owner ? It was sold new in the USA and is US spec......Does it still exist ? Initially I would like to put the seller and present owner in touch to reunite with the car otherwise will buy for stock if price is sensible......Pouch is in the UK
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  2. miurasv

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  4. thepinkumbrella

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    Paul,

    The car was for sale with Gullwing Motor Cars in New York (http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/) in April of this year.

    Paul
     
  5. sam231

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    Wow,

    Look at our timing....we are good!
     
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    LOL!!!
     
  7. PAUL BABER

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    Thank you all.....but it seems the car has found a new home. No longer on their website.......At least we know its still alive. Perhaps too early in the day for them as got answering service but will keep trying........Very grateful for the lead but better still does anyone know who bougft it ?
     
  8. PAUL BABER

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    Update.........Gullwing via the salesman I spoke to there have no interest in the pouch nor reuniting it with the car. I was unable to get any details of the new owner......I think the car was sold some months ago.

    The guy who owns it in the UK purchased the pouch from a previous owner who kept it after his mechanic severely damaged 15811 in a ditch and the car was sold on as was......Gullwing assure me the car is now in perfect condition.....So if anyone discovers who now owns it please post on here or PM me.....The owner is asking US6000 for the pouch and all the books.......
     
  9. sam231

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    Paul,

    Very sorry you had such a bad experience with the Gullwing salesman. Unfortunately that is too typical of the way people are treated by car dealerships after the sale is completed. I tried to get information about my C/4 from an outfit in Texas who owned it before myself and got nowhere. These folks do not realize they are dealing not only in cars but also history, especially with a car like the C/4 where there may only be 350 still in existence. I will post a thread on the C/4 owners website about your post in hopes the new owner regsiters the car.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  10. rcm360

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    Wow, what is interesting to me about the pouch is I worked for Burke Jaguar back in the early to mid 90's.
     
  11. BigTex

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    That is sad, sad, sad.......here's hoping your efforts are rewarded.

    I know for myself I would be greatly interested in the pouch/books.

    Maybe they sold it a "Accident Free History" and their shorts puckered up, when they heard of the ditch excursion?? :D :D :D
     
  12. BigTex

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    Things like that handwritten Bill of Sale are hugely interesting, to those who value the car's ownership history.

    My #20405 is missing the books, and therefore a huge hole in the record of the car, between 1976 and 1981......it was wrecked, and color changed, after the fire!

    There are clues!
     
  13. JazzyO

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    Is it me or is $6k a pretty criminal price to ask?


    Onno
     
  14. amenasce

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    Im with you.
     
  15. donv

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    That is so short-sighted on the part of the Gullwing salesman!

     
  16. PAUL BABER

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    Its not totally crazy for what is there.......In GBP its just over 3500. I've never sold a GTC/4 pouch set like that before but have sold the equivalent 275 pouch at GBP 7500 ...US$ 12000 approx and several Daytona sets at GBP 5000 ...US$8000.......

    Its commerce.The dealer who has it wants to get as much as he can for it .... Its up to the buyer to try to establish a price hes happy with. What I am trying to do is to ensure the new owner of 15811 gets first chance to buy it as its invaluable to his car....I admit that if he cant be found I would bid on it but would probably break it up to complete other sets...Lets find him !!
     
  17. PAUL BABER

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    Hi Sam......... I also followed up my phone call with an email to the owner of Gullwing...only know him as Peter......I still await a response......
     
  18. yale

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    Peter Kumar. Gullwing sells around 500 cars a year. They are perhaps the largest used car dealer in the US who deals with vintage European cars. They take them in absolutely any condition. A few years ago their indoor warehouse/showroom looked like an indoor wrecking yard with what looked like cars in all shapes and sizes pulled out of farmers fields and junk yards. Lately they are getting higher quality stuff. They don't care about the history or the shape of the car but at the same time they won't tell you something is perfect when it isn't. And they, to some extent, price accordingly. That said, if you see Gullwing in a cars history file chances are, at some point in it's life, it was somewhat of a wreck.
     
  19. BigTex

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    FerrariLitierature has my set for a 1976 308GTB at $4500USD, so yes, a nice full set like that, in such good condition, may mean "They'll get it".

    A also agree it is worth 'the most" to the right car, as the Warranty Coupon book has VIN and Dealership info. Once "gone", it's gone.
     
  20. PAUL BABER

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    Thanks...Thats interesting. I hope Mr Kumar makes an exception this time.
     
  21. bill pingree

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    I'm the new owner of # 15811, an appreciate all the new information on the car. The paper work is interesting, and I am interested in talking to the owner about obtaining it.

    Bill Pingree
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  22. Herky

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    I did reach out to Gullwing on this car a while back during my C4 search. Seemed rough but I didn't see it in person.

    Good luck finding the new owner. The conversation is going to be awkward though. "Hello sir, good news for you, I found your original books! You'll have to pay up though. $6 thousand USD. Oh, you don't like the price? Sorry to hear that. . . . . . . . Oh, by the way, the car you just bought was severely wrecked a while back!!! Oops!!"
     
  23. PAUL BABER

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    Happy to report that the new owner of 15811 has been found and is now in touch with the owner of the pouch etc......Price is between themselves and previous history of 15811 is none of my business........Thanks to all for your help, Its great when you can match the books with a car.
     
  24. footUNDER

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    Nice job matching them up!!!
     
  25. ferraripete

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    well done. really nice that you took the time to see this through!

    pcb
     

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