He won't post for awhile since he is in Canada. Here is a picture of Rolands dash http://www.sportcarschool.com/images/f40lm/f40lm_4b.jpg
Here are some pics of Roland "that old guy" Linder's F40 Hurry back Roland! I bet it is a lot warmer here in Colorado then up in the great white north! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
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Roland's steering wheel looks lower and less of an angle than normal. Is there a way to reduce the angle of the steering wheel in a US F40? If you look at the picture in this link http://www.sportcarschool.com/images/f40lm/f40lm_4b.jpg the steering wheel placement looks different. Also, does anyone know what OMP seats are in the 2nd car? Thanks Doug
Guys, Rolands F40 is no more an LM than my F40 is an LM. Rolands car was a burn car that he rebuilt using parts from all over (he did an exceptional job of rebuilding this car). You cannot use his car as a basis for pictures of an LM as his car has little true LM parts, his car IS inspired by an LM and should only be described as such. Rolands F40 is not even a "replica" F40LM as little effort was made to make it an exact copy. What the car benefits from is Roland's years as a professional driver. Roland continues to discredit his efforts by calling this car an LM. I think its time we drop the "LM" badge on this car... I am not discounting my friends efforts on building a truly unique F40, but to continue to call this car an LM is simply not correct.
even though he used blueprints for the LM to rebuild the car to LM specs? even though he used the racing teams molds? whatever. guess you have to define the term "LM". sort of like what "is" is. whatever. maybe the term should be LM Evolutionized or something like that.
He may have used part of the LM blueprints but Servizio cut corners, overcharged him and Roland had to finish the car himself... This F40 DOES not have a full LM body on it, (he did not take a splash off a true LM for the entire body). There is very little LM content on this car (any?). The brakes are not LM brakes, the engine was bought off ebay and was not LM spec. the doors are street doors. the rear hatch is street car. the front hood is not a true LM hood. The gauges are not LM, the wing is not LM, the windows are not LM, the gearbox is not LM the wheels are not LM.... etc. etc. This is not an LM, it is not a street F40, it is something in-between. It is time to stop calling it an LM. There is nothing wrong with the car being what it is, what it isn't is a LM. If you want to refer to it as a "Linder Modificato" that is fine, but you cannot call it an "LM Evolution" because it did not evolve from an LM. Roland and I are best friends, and we have this discussion in person and this is not the first time this has hit FERRARICHAT. But when someone wants pics of an LM, it should be of an LM, not Roland's F40. Roland keeps trying to pass this off as something it is not, he should just say what it is and how he built it, the facts are better than fiction....
look up the gstaad sale of ferraris. I guess it's bonhams running the show They have one of the 17 (or so they say) factory LM on sale. cheers T
An LM is a Michelotti prepared full race F40. The cars are built in Italy at the Michelotti factory and have almost nothing in commom with a Street F40, they were never built for the street. It is like being pregnant, you either have one of the 20 cars Michelotti cars or you don't. The poster F40 Knowitall is probably the best authority on this board on F40LM's (and F40's). I won't get into all of the exact differences. The best comparison right now would be like saying you had a FXX because you put decals on your Enzo.... An F40 is a F40, An F40LM and its variations are extremely different cars. I have no problem with improving a street F40 with LM parts, but when Roland starts telling my friends his car is one of the 13 origional factory built LM cars, I have a problem with that... There were 1,311 street F40's. There were 13 F40LM's, 4 F40 GTE's, 3 F40 GTE II's, there are only 20 LM - GTE cars in the world, so it is a pretty exclusive club. The bottom line is, it is not an LM, was never an LM, will never be an LM. It is not even close to an LM in content, that said, it might be nearly as fast or as well prepared, but it is not an LM. Again, I think his car is more interesting as what it is, not what he calls it. But I just think its time we stop calling it a LM.
so basicly an LM is a car from the factory sent over to another shop and turned in a race car? to me an LM is just a race ready car. so i guess that is good enough for me. btw i have never heard roalnd say his is one of the originals never. Seem this has struck a nerve with you.
Yes, you are right, it has struck a nerve and not just with me. Roland is a good friend of mine and it is difficult to hear people talk about how they know his car is not an LM but he continues to call it one. I mean no disrepect, but If your views are that simplistic about what an LM is, then you are right, the differences are not important. The entire point of my post is that this car is significant as it is conceived, designed and built by Roland. In the future this car will never be called an LM, it will be referred to as the "LinderF40" don't you think that is a much better tribute to a true Ferrari fanatic than saying the car is a LM copy? I have said all along, the car and Roland deserve respect.
Not meaning to add fuel to the fire, but my immediate reaction on seeing the pic was, that's not an LM. I have never been under the impression from reading any of Rolands posts that he was trying to pass it off as one either, though. He has always been clear, at to my perception, that is is an F40 special, inspired by the LM.
You can click here to find specs on F40's, F40LM's, F40GTE's or any other Ferrari. http://www.ferrariturbo.com I think what Chris is trying to say is that when someone modifies an F40 it becomes known after the builder. But NOT after what it is copied. I know when people see Chris's F40, they recognise it as such. When people see my car they know it as Rick's F40. When an owner modifies his car, it takes on their personality and their name. If you were to park Roland's, Chris's, Amir's, Rick's, Alex's, John's F40's together at Monterey it would be obvious who's car is whos. All modified, all F40's. Obviously different from stock F40's, but not LM's.
Rick, thank you, you said it much better than I! I think the poster "AC" wants the term "LM" to be generic, like when we say we want to go get a "Coke" and we order a Dr Pepper. Perhaps Roland shares that view, that any F40 that is modified is an "LM". The fact I am trying to make is that the term "LM" is not "generic" it refers ONLY to those thirteen cars, and Roland's car is not among those thirteen. I have heard Roland constantly refer to his car as an "LM" as everyone on here has, it is not one of the thirteen, therefore IMHO it should not be referred to as an "LM". I think it should be referred to as the Linder F40 or F40 Linder but lets drop the LM name... And Rick is correct, his car will always be "Ricks F40!" Damn, what a car! (Remember, the origional post by William was wanting to see a real LM interior, and people start posting pics of Roland's car which its interior is not even close to a true LM. Representing or referring to this car as an "LM" is misleading at best).
He puts this in all his posts & it is also his signature line. I can see how someone could be mislead.....
To me a race car is a race car. I guess if Roland wishes to call his car a LM then I have no problem with that. We all know the story of the resurrection. To me LM just signifies a racing car. If my simple view is to generic and offends others who hold an elitist view of the term, then so be it. I think of his LM as a Phoenix in my mind. If it was my LM I would have given that nickname to it, but it is not. You call Roland a friend then rip apart his car. If his use of a term hits a nerve with you, then talk to him about it. I am sure you have his number. I see no need or reason to disembowel the man's pride and joy on here. How's the saying go. "with friends like you ....... I'll just move along now.
"The entire point of my post is that this car is significant as it is conceived, designed and built by Roland. In the future this car will never be called an LM, it will be referred to as the "LinderF40" don't you think that is a much better tribute to a true Ferrari fanatic than saying the car is a LM copy? I have said all along, the car and Roland deserve respect." Yes, I think you should move along.... I have hauled Rolands F40 from coast to coast and spent alot of time with him, I bet alot more than you. I have never EVER criticised his car, quite the contrary, I have always praised Roland and his car. Please show me one reference to me "disemboweling" his F40? Roland and I disagree about him referring to it as an LM, but I do it to him face to face because we can disagree and still be friends. If you can read back, there is not one post on here that says Roland is a bad a person nor is there one that says he does not have an incredible car. I am willing to say that Roland will agree with me, perhaps think I am being silly, but at the end of the day Roland knows I will do anything for him and have done so in the past as he has helped me... Do not try create a fight that does not exist between friends, I love having this argument with Roland and he loves the battle as well... At the end of the day I suspect Roland will always call this car his LM and I will always keep correcting him.... but Roland and I will always be friends. And if you knew me, the term "elitest" would never enter your mind... Using the term "LM" correctly does not make me an elitest... any more than you using it generically makes you an idiot...
So, just to clarify (I should look it up on my own but im to lazy) were both the GTE and LM factory authorized cars? Do they have different serial numbers than regular F40s?
some pictures i took a while back..sorry i dont have better interior shots. http://photobucket.com/albums/v62/dauer962/ ? - The car i took a picture of is a F40 GTE correct? And is the name Just F40 GTE, or is it F40 LM GTE?....
Yes, but there is no deception involved. He appears proud of the fact that it is his own work. Within my local Ferrari community, we are lucky enough to have F40LM, 360GT, 550GT0/S etc, so I am all too aware of the significance of these variants. A pic of the real deal; Gil Matthews car; Image Unavailable, Please Login
